http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91475 From the Spanish Grand Prix onwards the Teams will not be allowed to use more than 10% of the throttle when breaking. Previously some had been using 100% of the throttle under breaking to blow exhaust fumes through the diffuser and thus increase the normal downforce under breaking. It is unclear to what degree the teams were doing this (ie how much throttle) but that most of them were. Clearly the teams who were using the most throttle under breaking will lose out most while any that weren't will make a relative gain (maybe HRT). I seem to remember McLaren suddenly gaining a bit of pace around Spa last year as they implemented this however "However, with McLaren having recently hinted that it viewed off-throttle engine maps as a key to Red Bull Racing's qualifying form, the change in regulations could mean the reigning world champion team is one of the worst hit" If this is true I won't complain but I would still prefer them to clamp down on flexi wings. Do you see this changing things much at the front
I wonder if this will give Webber an advantage over Vettel, because I think one of the reasons Webber dominated Vettel in midseason last year was because he could handle the change in downforce under braking going into a corner much better than Vettel and it was only until Red Bull started ******ing their engines that Vettel got back on top.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91475 I think Red Bull are going to struggle the most because it's been rumoured that their secret to qualifying is: 1. Special engine mapping - now banned 2. Tyre warm up (through exhaust gas) - banned as well? We don't know how badly this will effect the teams, but to my understanding it was only Red Bull using a very special engine mapping (others were doing it as well, but not as effective). The question is, how much are teams going to lose as a result of this change? Comparing Red Bull's Q3 vs Q2: Both Webber and Vettel were +0.6 faster in Turkey Vettel was +1.0 faster in China Vettel was +1.0 faster, Webber was +0.9 faster in Malaysia Vettel was +0.5 faster, Webber was +0.3 faster in Australia I think almost every team will gain on Red Bull, but I think they will still be out in front, but with a much closer qualifying. To get a true indication of what this means, qualifying should explain everything to us. Does anyone think the pecking order will change?
Does anyone think the pecking order will change? ________________________________________ Im cautious, it sounds like it will - but it has been sounding like it will for 2 years.
To be honest i can't see too much change happening. Newey is a genius, so he's probably thinking of alternatives as we type.
another point. Do you think this is just mclaren being bitter that their blown diffuser wasn't as effective as they planned?
In the Autosport article, Horner doesn't sound too happy about it. He says: "It is inevitable and the unfortunate consequence of success." Teams only use it for qualifying (and sometimes practice), so the only real effect we will see is (hopefully) is a proper fight for pole. Vettel's getting close to that record of consecutive poles, I wonder if he'll still be able to do it. Worth taking into account that Red Bull still have superior downforce in normal conditions. thecowboyfromhell, you can edit your posts. Welcome to the forum!
More importantly, will anyone revise their zDKf1 pole time predictions because of this? I think it might enable the other top teams to catch up but... we're in a situation where almost anything is possible (well, maybe not Glock on pole), which means it's very exciting for the moment. It may turn out that Red Bull's advantage is still significant (if they do this better than anyone else, they do many other things better too) and nothing actually changes but for now, who knows? I'm taking Friday off, coincidentally, so I'll be able to watch the practice sessions. There are lots of other updates that teams will be testing and, although we won't know anything for sure until Saturday afternoon, it could yield some good speculation.
I think that Red-Bull are going to trip here, the drivers are probably so used to the car being on rails that it will be out of control and have no balance by the time the Friday 1st practice starts. A lot of work and development over the weekend needs to be done.
This'll probably take a few points of downforce off the rear of the car, but I'm sure with the minor updates they'll bring they'll probably recoup some of that. Add into it that the other teams will be effected too, and I don't think it'll make too major a difference overall.
I think Red Bull will start to struggle a liitle bit but Newey is an F1 genius so it will be interesting in spain to see how it has affected them and if they can react. For me this is a true test of Vettel now that perhaps they have not got the fastest car. Interesting.
Who will lose the most from this? Red Bull Who was closest to them in last race? Ferrari Thanks Jean Todt! Now hurry up and bring back in-season testing!
Without a second thought, I wholeheartedly I agree with your second sentence. However, if his design has been very focussed upon the use of loads of exhaust without throttle, he may struggle to match others whose designs may be easier to adapt. This could see a considerable tightening up of the field and will undoubtedly be of benefit to those on the cusp of the 107% rule. Newey is a genius; of this there is surely no doubt. But in the short term, this change in the regulations could rein in the runaway: Vettel, who's engine mapping seems to have been more focussed upon his driving style than Webber's, since the mid-point last season.
Ahh we don't know that the Red-Bull will no longer be the fastest car. It has been the fastest car since mid 2009 and since the start of 2010 we have been saying that such and such a development will mean Red-Bull are no longer the fastest and yet they remain so. This may just be the latest in the line.
Lol typical FIA interfering with the grid trying to close the gap down whatever the cost. How will this affect red bull more than the rest? They say 90% of the grid has it so the same disadvantage will apply to everyone.
