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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Bib Fortuna's Maw, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. harryhood67

    harryhood67 Well-Known Member

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    Yes , will say it again , these green brigade ain't Celtic fans only interested in themselves , after a disappointing midweek result where were they yesterday ??? if they want to boycott show some balls and do it a champions league game !!!
     
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  2. RebelBhoy

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    I suspect they didn't know during a Champions League game that several of their members would enter the ground only to be removed without warning (or,according to them, an explanation) the following Saturday.
     
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  3. harryhood67

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    Sounds if you don't believe them either, a year ago I was in full support of them now can't be bothered with them . When I was a young pub !! Early 80's I got wrongly arrested at an Old firm game ( won the case in court ) following day Celtic played a friendly at Berwick , popped down there for a day out
     
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  4. RebelBhoy

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    Not at all that I don't believe them. Just that I don't know the facts.

    They are saying that amongst their number folk were being lifted and/or refused entry for apparently no reason.

    If true then this can't be seen as a petulent boycott rather a pragmatic decision not to get lifted.

    I have no reason not to believe what I have been told just as you have no reason to believe what I am saying.

    This was the inevitable cost to the group of congregating together. They knew that at the time and presumably thought it was a price worth paying.

    Whether it is the club or the police responsible for orchestrating this, they don't know but I do think they deserve clear communication.
     
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  5. anportmorbhoy

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    They are not being arrested for the craic. It may be that they are not commiting an offence at that moment. But id imagine they have in the past, been identified by the club through cctv and lifted at the next game. But no one is arrested without reason. If they are they can sue/claim. The fact they are not suing the police speaks volumes to me
     
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  6. harryhood67

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    Are these the same people that disgraced themselves on Boxing Day in Dundee ???
     
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  7. Thomas The Cat

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    who the ****s joins a brigade anyway. I against them purely for the title they gave themselves.
     
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  8. RebelBhoy

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    The fact that they are not getting convictions speaks a hell of a lot louder.
     
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  9. Tina.

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    RB cheers for the first half's highlights - showed my daddy them when we came out of the pineapple. He was laughing away at Efe's celebration :laugh: x
     
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  10. Hoopster67

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    We dont know Harry, are they?
     
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    <applause>
     
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  12. RebelBhoy

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    An astute and pertinent question. We are too busy to find something to hang them with.

    My pleasure
     
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  13. Super hooper

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    I tend to agree with much of what Rebel bhoy says and little with what Harry Hood
    says, I am surprised at what anportmorbhoy says and I will come to that lately.
    Harry, I believe G B to be Celtic supporters, if you do I suggest to you know better ,
    You should give them the benefit of the doubt. As R B says these young lads are
    arrested going to and coming from matches , at home and work places, charged
    and cases dropped,often 6 myths later with no evidence presented . Rebel bhoy
    knows that was standard practice in the six counties in the 70's 80's 90's and
    Maybe even yet in some areas, did you not know that antportmorbhoy, if it
    Was good enough for them Nationalists, it would certainly be appropriate for
    Celtic youths. Why doesn't the Celtic board even if they doubt the G B why
    Don't they attempt to mediate. Where does Harry get this nonsense that they
    think they are bigger than Celtic? Too much wine Harry!! Harry attends all games
    Home and away, he knows there is a feeling abound that the G B are getting to the
    End of the tether, the Celtic support , supported their magnificent stadium preparation
    for Barca game, their vocal support for Celtic home and away, before the G B Celtic
    Park was like a morgue. Harry doesn't want that next year. Instead of supporting
    Them Harry kicks out at those he loves.
    As I said we are all Celtic supporters, or is that only when it suits us.
     
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  14. Super hooper

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    I tend to agree with much of what Rebel bhoy says and little with what Harry Hood
    says, I am surprised at what anportmorbhoy says and I will come to that lately.
    Harry, I believe G B to be Celtic supporters, if you do I suggest to you know better ,
    You should give them the benefit of the doubt. As R B says these young lads are
    arrested going to and coming from matches , at home and work places, charged
    and cases dropped,often 6 myths later with no evidence presented . Rebel bhoy
    knows that was standard practice in the six counties in the 70's 80's 90's and
    Maybe even yet in some areas, did you not know that antportmorbhoy, if it
    Was good enough for them Nationalists, it would certainly be appropriate for
    Celtic youths. Why doesn't the Celtic board even if they doubt the G B why
    Don't they attempt to mediate. Where does Harry get this nonsense that they
    think they are bigger than Celtic? Too much wine Harry!! Harry attends all games
    Home and away, he knows there is a feeling abound that the G B are getting to the
    End of the tether, The celtic support , supported their magnificent stadium preparation
    for Barca game, their vocal support for Celtic home and away, before the G B Celtic
    Park was like a morgue. Harry doesn't want that next year. Instead of supporting
    Them Harry kicks out at those he loves.
    As I said we are all Celtic supporters, or is that only when it suits us.
     
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  15. RebelBhoy

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    Green Brigade Statement. Make of it what you will.


    Towards the end of 2012, the Green Brigade announced a two-match boycott of Celtic Park due to the continued police harassment of our members. We hoped to highlight the extent of our ill-treatment and perhaps force the police into a re-think regarding their bully boy tactics. Sadly the harassment has actually worsened since then, leading up to the events of yesterday which left the group with little choice but to leave the stadium before kick-off.

    It has reached the stage where our very existence is under serious threat as fans will not continue to pay £500+ to be treated like criminals.

    After the disappointment of Tuesday night, we had made it our intention to thank the team for their efforts and once again back them to the hilt. However, it was clear that the police, and indeed club officials, were not going to allow this to happen.

    Even before we had even got near Celtic Park, the police had tracked us down at the CSA on London Road. They took our merchandise off of people who had recently purchased it and questioned the staff as to why our members were allowed in the building.

    As we approached the stadium and began to enter, some members were told that they were to leave as they had received a football banning order. No warning or explanation was given. Others were greeted by a message at the turnstile after swiping their card that read "suspended for one game." Again, without any warning or explanation as to why this was the case. These &#8216;&#8217;bans&#8217;&#8217; were at the behest of the club and not the police, for reasons still unknown.

    We were then approached by a Celtic steward who advised us to be wary when entering the section, as he was advised by Strathclyde Police that they intended to arrest some of our members, and that they were in possession of a 'wanted' list with names and pictures of the unfortunate fans who were to be singled out. It was at this point that we decided that we were putting our own members at risk by entering the stadium. As we made our way to the exits, one Focus officer, Tommy McCrindle, was grinning from ear to ear, goading the group into a reaction that fortunately he never got.

    It would seem that the police and indeed the club have upped the ante even further in recent weeks. The facts are;

    - We are now 10 members down since the turn of the year.

    - We have had two members arrested and charged over the 'zombie' banner that was unfurled at the Norwich friendly. One of those members was arrested at a busy airport in front of family on arrival from holiday.

    - The first of those charged had his first court appearance last week. This was laughed out of court but not before the stress and inconvenience of telling family members, taking time off work and missing big matches.

    - Numerous members' have been harassed at their homes in recent weeks, another clear tactic of intimidation.

    This is all done under the say-so of Strathclyde Police' FoCus unit. Celtic supporters have the same police officers following them week in, week out. This allows them to become familiar with the names and faces of our fans. It would appear that they use this familiarity to try to intimidate us even further. Simple things like name-dropping partner's names or family members' names has become an all too common theme. It's all part of the bullying nature of this unit. The aforementioned McCrindle actually has on his social networking site that his job description is "full-time Fume-a-pest & termite control." McCrindle was also in the midst of controversy following the Juventus game, as three members were arrested to be charged with a minor breach of the peace which quickly became offensive behaviour at the football, leading to banning orders being made a part of said members bail conditions. McCrindle even went as far as to attempt to pressure the Procurator Fiscal in to ensuring that one of the accused would not even be granted bail. The sad thing is that it's our money that pays this man's wages, whilst also affording this unit countless &#8216;&#8217;working holidays&#8217;&#8217; to places like Amsterdam, Barcelona and Moscow.

    After the last boycott, Peter Lawwell and Neil Lennon publicly expressed their desire to meet with us to iron out any issues we may have. We decided that this was something which we should try to use, so contacted them via a private email about this almost immediately. Sadly, they were 'too busy' but would contact us when they were ready. We're still waiting on them getting back to us about that particular email, although we did receive one prior to the Juventus game with an agenda that in no way mentioned any of the concerns that we outlined. We advised that we weren't prepared to discuss anything any further with them until our initial request was granted. We are still no further forward with that and as a result, any relationship with the club has completely disintegrated. Since this relationship has broken down the ticket office has become entirely uncooperative with us whilst the chief steward with whom we had a good working relationship with has been moved post.

    We have never met with Neil Lennon before but have had numerous dealings with Lawwell in recent years. At almost every meeting, he has made promises that were never kept so this is nothing new. He met our members to discuss the fall-out over the "Let's go to War banner" that depicted Lennon setting fire to Ibrox and had "Huns FC" written on the stadium. This led to charges and court cases which lasted 18 months for 3 of our members. We had met with Lawwell to discuss this and to see if he could lend his support to the case. Lawwell advised us that he thought the charge was 'a joke' and it was his opinion that the term 'huns' was in no way offensive. Furthermore, he went onto say he'd be happy for the club to defend us in court. We were clearly delighted with this. However, when our lawyer contacted him about this a few weeks down the line, Lawwell denied all knowledge of the meeting and refused to comment any further. As if that wasn't bad enough, a senior member of Celtic security, David Brannan, was used as a prosecution witness.

    We have heard in the last couple of weeks of meetings involving Lawwell and other Celtic fan groups. At these meetings, Lawwell has made no secret of the fact that he intends to see the end of the group sooner rather than later. He was quoted as saying that he would "give them enough rope to hang themselves." We were told that Lawwell used CCTV footage of the section to pinpoint who he felt the ringleaders were and picked out a member as someone who 'had to go'. We have also been informed that other fans groups may have attended similar meetings with Peter Lawwell and if this were the case, we would find it extremely disheartening that we were not informed of the club&#8217;s intentions by other Celtic fans. At this stage however Celtic&#8217;s agenda seems clear &#8211; They are intent on finishing the group off.

    Our decision not to attend yesterday&#8217;s match was not something that we had planned. We simply felt that it was a decision that had to be made purely to protect our own members and those within 111. It has now gotten to the stage whereby members of our group live in constant fear of the police showing up at their homes or workplace with a trumped up charge, or to be told that they are banned from football matches as they approach the gates of 111. Now, more than ever, the continued support of the rest of the Celtic fans is appreciated immensely. We cannot stress enough that if things do not change for the better, the group will be unable to continue to attend matches to support the club that we all love.
     
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  16. Null

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    Releasing a statement
     
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  17. harryhood67

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    Some statement , maybe I've been hard on them without knowing the facts
     
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  18. eric cartman

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    All I know is they create some atmosphere.
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

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    I have no idea what their issue with the Club is but their statement has more holes than tramp's vest and i'm not convinced that I should take theie version of events as Gospel when they make out like they were planning nothing more eventful than a Jolly picnic in the park.
     
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  20. RebelBhoy

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    It is only half the tale and I was only posting it to share it with y'all.

    I am personally inclined to side with them on this but I might have pushed the numbers and frequency of these failed convictions to push the point and probably left individuals out of it.

    But yes, taking nothing as gospel.
     
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