What's idiotic about not making a big deal out of someone coming out. It is all the holier than thou posters making out that they are so non judgemental and modern that are actually making gay men different. My attitude is " so what" I really dont care, any more than I care that becks likes skinny birds. I treat every man the same whether gay or stright. I dont want to read a blog from Guly telling us he loves females anymore than I want to read a blog from this bloke. If everybody had my approach to gays, then there would be no need to "come out". As I said earlier a work mate "came out" and then got upset that nobody gave a shiny shiete. It is the people saying how wonderful this is that are the ones treating gays differently , if I was gay I'd find it pretty condescending.
When are the site going to take some action and get rid of LD? He's clearly just on a huge troll and has been for sometime. Mentioned by PompeyLapras and it's starting to become increasingly apparent in different guises. Keep the house in order.
LD - if you truly treat all men equally, if you cracked onto a woman and she knocked you out, you would have to say "fair enough" wouldn't you.
I find your posts boring and sterile, but rather than call for you to be banned ,tend to ignore them. I suggest you do the same. Unless I'm mistaken this is a forum for different views and opinions not Facebook.
The kind of views and 'opinions' you express would be very accepted on Facebook. Also, I suggest a trip to OfficialSaints Facebook. You'd be well suited there.
"I treat every man the same, straight or gay" - unless they threaten your clearly eggshell fragile masculinity and you have to "knock them out".....or perhaps kiss them.
Guys come on lets not let this get out a hand...........We are discussing what for some is a very emotive subject. Lets not go down the road of calling people idiots or what ever. If some of you have read some of the posts between PTF and myself and others although we strongly disagree there is not a hint of bad feeling. That is how a discussion should be. We all have to accept different points of view, on this particular subject it must be bloody difficult for some one with a high profile to acknowledge their sexuality publicly. Unless you are gay I think it is hard for the straight ones to understand the need to come out at all. This is not showing an intolerance it is just lacking in understanding. The thing is the trend "of coming out has taken hold" In the early days, there have been lots of instances where gays have used it as a publicity stunt.....the " oooo look at me brigade I am different". I agree that has largely died out now. It has been taken more seriously. A tolerance is building, an acceptance if you like, although for me at least, to say this is the norm may be pushing it a bit. In my early days of youth, homosexuality was illegal and was very much underground. As time wore on you got to know and work with some, as you call them today "gay people". I got on with them just as I would anyone else. Later to have a very large circle of friends who are gay. Tolerance or acceptance didn't come in to it They didn't particularly advertise their sexuality nor did anyone else. We just got on with things we weren't interested who was who or what. That is why I have such a difficulty in understanding the need to "come out" The female variety don't why do the male variety have to or feel the need to? That is my only difficulty I have with gay people in all walks of life and all profiles......What makes you so special you need to advertise your sexuality? Sorry cannot help how I feel and that in my view, is not insulting or discriminating against gay people at all.
Do they not? What about the big interview where Ellen DeGeneres came out? Or Kelly McGillis? Rosie O'Donnell? Amber Heard? Etc etc... The reason homosexual people feel the need to come out is because, whether you think it should be a big deal or not, it just is. It's still the minority, they still feel like it's something to hide, and therefore don't think it can be treated as a brushing off, nobody turns their head kind of issue. Hopefully, one day, nobody will really care and it'll be fine, but that's not the case at the moment so it shouldn't be treated as one. Just as people who make their voices of objection heard, things like this allow people to make their voices of support heard in the hope of one day making it so that it isn't a big deal. It's a huge thing in the life of the person coming out. At any rate, you're making it sound as if Robbie called for the presses to stop as he invaded the CNN set to scream it to the world. He didn't. He posted on his blog and on twitter.
Beddy, I absolutely agree, but there's a huge difference between engaging in sensible discussion, such as you and PTF have done, and then just being abjectly offensive, both in views and terminology, like Duckhunter. There's very little that riles me in life, but when somebody is being openly homophobic or sexist (even if just for effect), the heckles go up I'm afraid and I make no apology for it. People like that either need to be educated, or weeded out of any sensible discussion.
Indeed. And the reason many gay people come out in their 20s or 30s is because it can be difficult to admit to themselves that they are gay, let alone the rest of the world. Look at Gareth Thomas, he was married to a woman for eight years! This kind of thing is not uncommon, because let's face it, it's much easier to not be gay, so they suppress their feelings, try to convince themselves they are 'normal' until one day for whatever reason they realise who they are. At that point everyone thinks they are straight, so what else can you do but 'come out'? Have secret gay relationships and when people notice and ask why you didn't tell them just say "well, I didn't think it was a big deal"? I bet they would think it was then! And as Thomas said, if you're a high-profile person your coming out can have a material effect on other people: "I don't know if my life is going to be easier because I'm out, but if it helps someone else, if it makes one young lad pick up the phone to ChildLine, then it will have been worth it" So what's the problem, exactly?
Very true. What's more, very many people who realise they are gay from a young age also think that this is somehow 'wrong' or that there's something amiss with them, so suppress these feelings (which can be very psychologically impactful and damaging). The more high-profile people that do come out, the more it's seen as acceptable and the less likely these problems are to arise. It's an important process that still needs to happen. The more people that hide it away publicly, despite people knowing (such as Kevin Spacey), the more it's seen by an impressionable youngster as clearly something to be ashamed of, and that's an unhealthy situation. That's, in my opinion, why these profile 'coming out' episodes are important.
