1. Our tempo is too slow, it should be 1/2 touch quick footy 40 mtrs from the opposition goal 2. We defend too deep 3. We dont press well, despite this being a BR tactic, we still seem to be dire at pressin the opposition high up, partly cos we defend too deep, we also press in 1s and not together 4.We defend free kicks miles too deep 5. We are terrible at free kicks n corners, both defending and attacking, I suspect we dont work on them, if we do its even more worrying cos you cant tell.40 % of goals come from set pieces I think 6. We are mentally very weak, if we go behind we lose, its that simple, you can see it in the players body language 7. The players are molly coddled, they need to be rollocked more often, I remember G Neville goin on about how furious United players were when De Gea conceded the late v Spurs, Vidic,Welbeck,Evra were furious. When we f**k up its oh never mind you did your best, f**k that i wanna win Add more if you wish Now how are we gonna fix them.
Add to that that we seem to want to play pass and move by passing 30/40 yard balls and then not moving.
Point seven is interesting, it's like an acceptance of where we are. I'm the same as a supporter, I used to lose my rag when we conceded but now I just stay silent. I don't think my body would have been able to cope with that many tantrums in the last 3 years
Enrique needs to bein front of the keeper at corners, stopping the keeper from collectin the ball We should train 5 a side on smaller pitches to get used to havin no time and space on the ball We should leave at least 2 up defendin corners.So the other team has to cover Pascoe needs to be on every players case in training after releasing the ball, Ronnie Moran used to scream " move you f*cker" once a player had passed had the ball in the 80s, it drove them nuts but they learned to move, our movement after passing is ****e. Every time we have a ball in a wide area, at least one man should go to the near post, even if the ball doesnt go there it creates space behind.(kuyt and torres both did this, suarez never does always waits for cut back, crowdin the runners coming from in behind ) Agger needs to in charge of the back 4, evey when Carras there, and hes needs to push them up at least 5 yds, Rodgers shold have a signal for this from the touchline, we are nearly always too deep We need to practice the press, so we do it together,and the possible receivers of the ball are picked up b4 the receive it, forcing mistake or 2 hoof long. Players should be BANNED from taking more than 2 touches in training within certain distance of the opponents goal. Reina oncegetting the ball needs to set a a target of 3 seconds to releasing it, he nearly always looks to release it once people are picked up Players need to switch the f**k on straight way once Reina gets the ball, they need to be SPRINTING, and looking for SPACE, making Reinas job easy
Without Sturridge, there's no movement up top. Suarez is too deep and Sterling/Downing too useless. Without movement, all the passing goes flat or backwards and we simply can't cut through opponents. I watched Real V United the other night, and whilst they're obviously going to be several levels higher than us, the big difference was the movement of their forwards. Space just opened up through intelligent moving and swapping of positions. Our pass and move is more pass and stand. I'd like to see Suso, Suarez and Sturridge play together for once, and in the Europa try Suarez with Gerrard, Suso and Downing behid him. Failing that, play Robinson and push Enrique up as a forward player - meaning Johnson can stick on the right where he's more effective. I think Sterling has alot to learn before he's a first team starter. We lack movement, intelligence and technique to play this system. Waste of time trying really...need better players
One problem is that since Sturridge has been out we're back to having no potency or focal point up top, said simply we don't put the ball in the back of the net enough. Still only really have two decent strikers, one of whom is actually more of a creative attacking/forward player than pure stiker. Our possession is not leading to end product and recently we have got very wasteful and casual on the ball.
we have a young team infact one of the youngest in the premier league and for many of the players its their first time playing in the first team so we have to accept many will make some mistakes, its learning from these mistakes that will make us stronger as a team. ok recent results have been bad but we need to give the team a chance to grow and give them good support, rodgers also has inexperiance but he too will learn and improve. we all as supporters have to accept that we are a work in process at the moment and get behind the team,take the good with the bad.
Why employ someone inexperienced who you hope would grow into the job? What was so special about Rodgers at the time that you had to recruit him over all others? What has he done so far that is much better than the previous manager? There were so many experienced managers available at the time. Even some good ones from other clubs would have resigned from their current jobs...
This Up until the first Zenit goal we'd played ok (bar the first 5 mins) but there is a simple answer to what went wrong last night. Luis Suarez. Away goals are vital in European games. Suarez had 4 very good chances and didn't score one. Why? Because he doesn't like scoring he just likes scoring his way.
Do you guys think part of the issue is the lack of passion from a lot of your players? I don't watch much of Liverpool, but from what you guys are saying that maybe your players just don't care enough? At United there's multiple players who'll themselves into the ground for team, which is one of the reasons why we've come from behind so many times this season. It really rubs off on other players too. Other than Gerrard/Carragher, how many people on your team are willing to do that? Like I said I don't watch Liverpool much and I'm not trying to WUM, genuinely curious here.
I'm not sure it's passion, at times I'm actually not sure what it is other than as with last season we aren't putting the ball in the net from the chances we create. We had plenty enough chances to beat West Brom, City, Arsenal and we could and should have had scored at least one away goal last night. Oscar Pistorius has no legs and he can shoot straighter than Suarez
I did a thread suggesting it was players attitude that needed to change. I still think that it is a factor in games against so called lesser teams.
We bought a few players from smaller clubs who aren't used to playing for a big club with the high expectations - Allen, Henderson, Downing, Carroll, Adam etc. And we've lost players who are used to the big stage i.e. Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy. We need to buy players are technical but also have experience at a big club and performed at a high level on a big stage.
That's a lot easier said than done considering where we are. We are not good enough to compete (in the market) with the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and even Spurs considering they have pipped us to a few recently. So, if we are going to get back up there we need to do some scouting and buy well. Not only is this something we have not done for a long time but how do you do that but still get 'big club experience'?
as a perosn who's got deep respect for his leders and betters i can honeslty say i agree with baout 70% of this. 1. I agree... we are pretending to play the barca game but they don't have pique and puyol or maschernao playing with valdes they've got their midfield on the half way line tormenting the oppositions midfield and drawing them out. we play too deep and i think either you or fordeck made this point last week. its too easy to sit back and let us do this. 2.I also agree, we're pushing two full backs to be wingers and then sitting the cbs right back with one holding player and we're not backing oursevles to keep the line or at least be tactically disicplined like rogers said we would be. 3. also agree. I do not see the pressing game we wer epromsied i see wide men sitting right back in a 4-5-1 almost before sturrdge came in and we've reverted to that. I see "some" individual pressing when we lose it but i don't see 3 players closing in around guys to win that back quick.. surely a side can afford 3 players (not 6 = the entire midfield) 4. free kicks are a hard one. I think yes we proably could be higher but i think we are more focused on man marking that holding a line 5. I cannot tell you if we do or do not. what i can tell you is the minute the ball was hit in by west brom i shouted goal. theball was a perfect pace and flight into the danger area and guess what agger as per lets himself get blocked off. It really is that simple if someone delviers a proper ball in its luck on our part we don't conceed. I simply cannot beleive agger has not been slapped around and told to start pulling shirts and holding arms.... did you see the ref for utd v rela. comes over to jones i think and telss him to stop pushing and showing from a free... jones ignores it totally and the result is no pen, no foul... I can count on one hand th times i've seen a ref give such a pen and utd got on v city quite a while back... and thats it.. no ref gives it soe stop being a puss and man up... I also think yes our corner taking is terrible.... agger got 3/4 headers v west brom and put them all over. 6. I agree to a large extent. I think panic is the word. when we conceeded v zenit there was nobody able to pull them together and so we're acting shell shocked and they tap in. i have not seen a let s go again attitude and cenrtainly a lot of dwelling on things from a lot of players... 7. I think personally leaderhsip doens't come form the bench as it cannot. it must come from the pitch and there must be a clear leadership in there. Not terry and lampard style meglomania though.. they've got more men the sack at chelsea! no we need leaders and loyal soldiers who alosmot take over in the dressing room when the tactics have been dispensed. the geeing up before a game and at half time and on the pitch needs to come form the same source. We need someone to do that.
We're not going to use the complacency excuse after getting beat, like Basle, we weren't good enough is the reason as it was with ye, complacency is just an excuse for those that cant accept their team was out and out bettered on the night. You could point at one or two but it is never easy to go to Russia, never mind early feb. Missed chances again. Sturridge type player is essential to our ponderous movement atm Re OP We advance far too slowly, Look at Real, so much quality but because they were slow getting the ball forward it allowed United to fall back orderly into 2 banks of 4 on the edge of the area. Real had the quality to operate 20 yards out from goal in tight spaces but Liverpool do not. Once the opposition sits back like that there is nowhere to run, ala Barca Chelsea as well, Celtic Barca, when playing a far superior opponent in terms of playing football, just like United with Real, they will drop back and clog the box and hope for a counter, not a bad option when you have a drogba or RvP.
Football isn't an exact science so who knows which players will adapt and which will fail. There are different markets - the one you mention is for elite players i.e. Messi, Ronaldo etc. We can't compete in that market. The market we can still compete in is the one beneath that - the one where we bought top class players in the shape of Torres, Suarez, Mascherano and Alonso. Granted that Mash and Alonso didn't come from a 'big club' but they were all highly regarded around Europe but not many teams wanted to take the chance. I believe someone like Eriksen falls in this category. I think Coutinho and Sturridge are definitely players who can improve our first team so I think Rodgers is now looking at the right players.
