I guess it was inevitable... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...onal-loan-players-against-Crystal-Palace.html
I support it - it is the right thing to do. Why should there be a difference in how many loan players you can field just because of where you get them? Let's face it - none of us were comfortable when we saw the influx of loan players. As it happens we then acted sensibly with the loanees and totally within the rules. The rules were poor and chanigng them is sensible However once they change the rules it will not make a difference to us - we will simply buy and sell between the clubs - it will not stop the Pozzos using players where they want them. If into the bargain it undermines the pathetic arguments of the likes of Holloway so much the better.
We shall see, I suspect the FL will take legal advice and it may be that they will be able to limit the number of loans fielded in the match day squad. It will be of no consequence H as we will be Championes by then.
I really hope they do. Then I hope we sign all the players on whatever terms the Pozzos put in place (e.g. sell back a year later etc.), and still have the same players at the club, just to stop the pathetic nonsense that seems to go around with Holloway, Martin Samual, Sky etc....... (or should I say so that they can shove their criticisms right up their...) It must be really bad running a club frugally, still playing more home grown players than most clubs of a similar status, play good football and get results. Much better to run clubs with high debts, try to buy success with lots of wasted transfers, and still struggle ...
Horse bolted & stable door comes to mind - as mentioned above, we will have an answer to it by simply transferring players between clubs and still use the existing loan scheme to the limit. Hope that shuts the nasty little man up...
Ditto.... We all know there are ways round this.... and funnily we will benefit due to having the same owner ..... so much easier to work round....
I think the sooner we move on from both this and the Bassini affair the better. Very rarely do negative stories have a positive influence on the performances of players and the feeling within a club. Although I think it is quite unlikely it is not unreasonable to think that all this negative press has had some influence on the 'good feeling' that had been coursing through the club and may have contributed to our 'mini slump' - I dont know enough psychology to be able to say whether mind games work or not. Ultimately, we all know that Watford have done nothing wrong and yet all of this negative publicity makes me feel a little uneasy about how well we are doing and although I know we have done nothing wrong, if everyone calls you a cheat then before long you start to feel like one even though it couldnt be further from the truth. The way things have changed in the last year is almost too good to be true - from a club near to administration, hoping to make ends meat by selling all their best players year on year and seeing success as achieving Championship status as early as possible to 4th in the table, playing superb football, financial stability, future stars that we dont need to sell etc etc. The green-eyed monster is a horrible entity and unfortunately, whilst it rarely rears its ugly head when 'big' clubs use their resources (which they have 'earned' by being a 'big' club) to overspend and go into massive debts with no guarantee of success, it doesnt like to see a 'small club' like Watford, try to be successful the right way, because it just shouldnt happen - as I said its 'too good to be true'. Regarding the 2 issues mentioned at the outset, we can do nothing but pray that the FL make a fair and just decision on the Bassini affair as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I suggest that we end all of this discussion about whether our setup is right or not - we know it is justified that we have broken no laws so have nothing to feel guilty about - so we should simply move on and enjoy the ride and let the detractors moan and whinge about how unfair life is whilst we head to the Premier league playing sexy football on the way. The futures bright, the futures yellow
i do get your point Leonardo, but the rules were the same for everyone so anyone could have done the same. Having said that, it was a shock to all of us at the beginning of the season, and yes, hopefully this won't change anything for us, and it will keep the haters at bay hopefully!
Exactly! You'd think they'd see how this works and think it's the way forward for more football clubs..but apparently it's not good for English football to save a club, far better to run it into the ground... daft!
I quite agree. We obeyed the rules pure and simple and nobody else chose this way to successfully run a club - as others have pointed out - the likes of QPR, Cardiff etc prefer to go down the pump in millions and risk going bust route - ours is much better. However it does not alter the fact that it is stupid to have a rule that only allows more than five loanees if they are foreign so fine change the rule - it will make no difference to us
I dont care what they do to implement the rules. What I do care about is come 1st September Ekstrand, Pudil, Abdi and Vydra are all WFC players (ours not on loan)
Do you think the Pozzos will look at the rule change and think that it changes things for them at WFC and their project? Or is it just that they can buy these players for us, rather than Udinese and Granada, and they're ours anyway... That does make sense, but as this hasn't happened to them before, i guess we can't predict how they'll react...
This wont faze them in the slightest in fact I would think that somewhere in their business model would be a contingency just in case. They are here for a long time and have only just started.
They are businessmen and I am sure used to operating in an international environment where rules vary. It does not alter their basic model as they can sell for £1 and buy back for £1 - there is no rule that stipulates the value of a player
I do find it amusing that a few people have stomped their feet and cried unfair, and so now the FL are changing the rules. I wonder if we started bleating about some unfair rules, if they'd change them! But at least FFP should be coming in soon (hopefully) While I agree that the rule probably shouldn't be in place, it's there so why not use it if you can. I'm sure if every other club in the Championship (or below) had a link up with another team, they'd use the rule to their advantage! Be interesting what Holloway's opinion of it would be if Palace had a link with Barcelona and had a dozen players on his book. I'd suggest he may just well defend it.... Not too bothered about the rule changing though. The owners will just take the contract from one pocket (Udinese) and put it into another (Watford), for an undisclosed transfer fee! I never thought we would have lots of loanees next season anyway. We'd either sign the Udinese/Granada players we wanted (and who wanted to come), send the ones we don't want back, and then start signing our own players from who the scouts have identified!
Even if they said you had to pay market Value to "buy"Loanees It still is money out of one pozzo pocket and into another , they just give us a "community charitable donation" Might even make it more tax efficent (Leo your area mate?) Meanwhile we continue to watch quality players and quality footy Any revision of the rules would make it that much harder for any other club to form a similar alliance. How many other owners have a club in 3 counties and a superb scouting network already in place? Moan about that Olly and Fat Sam and that prick wetspam fan blogger.
I would suggest that the crux of the matter is the fact that, in effect, Watford, Granada & Udinese have the "same owner". So whatever "loan rules" or permanent transfer rules are put into place, the Pozzos will always have the ability to circumvent these and to move players between these 3 clubs more or less at will. The only conceivable way of preventing this would be to prevent more than one club in UEFA (or even FIFA) having the same owner. I would again suggest that this would be virtually impossible to enforce or even to legislate for. When the relevant footballing authorities sit down (as I am sure they will, given all the fuss), I believe they will come to the same conclusion - that there is no point legislating for something so easily bypassed.
