http://www.skysports.com/skysportsnews/story/0,28679,19493_8494513,00.html can millwall afford to ban them? ground will be empty if they do. on a seriously note, thats just nasty.
Ironic that the case of Diouf is highlighted considering his record of spitting at fans. What's worse, calling someone a slave of spitting at them?
Or sexually assaulting and punching a teenage girl as marlon king did. Is that now overlooked? Maybe the players highlighted as abused really inflamed the passions of the moral guardians that frequent the new den. Another 10 million pounds worth of tax payers money on an enquiry me thinks.
i'm pretty sure the 56 counts of it occuring over 3 months might hint at it happening more frequently and for a more founded reason than "marlon king /diouf came to play"
Not sure you saw the programme it said there were 56 counts of racism committed by 5 blokes over a series of matches at Millwall. It only showed one ape shouting out racist stuff which each word they counted as one count so therefore the one bloke could have and probably did commit 51 counts and 5 other blokes which we never saw possibly had one count each. It all could have happened in just two games. Hardly pandemic or worthy of the hysterical reaction from the FA or SSN.
This is not something that most right minded football supporters would condone. The simple fact is that racism is still out there and has to be kicked out, whether out of football or any other part of our society. Football is an easy target for the media, but that also doesn't make it right. Marlon King wasn't right either, but he was convicted of his offence and paid the penalty. The fact that he plays every week with supporters chanting against him as they do is an even greater penalty which he will live with for the rest of his career. However, the right penalty should apply to the five at Millwall or any person that chooses to shout racist abuse in the high street, pub, cricket match or prayer meeting.
So when you say the right penalty for racial abuse you mean a life ban? But to sexually assault a young girl and smash her in the face or the 6 other offences that marlon king has been convicted for have been adequately dealt with by the FA by not banning him and allowing him to make a living in the sport he has sullied and disgraced. But no he is being shouted at so that is fitting punishment according to you then? (As long as his color is not mentioned of course) in any other profession his employer would sack him and the regulating body ban him from practicing. But what does the FA do and you? Let the public shout at him. What about the victim? If she was called a racist term she would have more chance of seeing him banned than if he raped her. Is that justice? Maybe the FA or SSN should be looking at the disproportionate amount of sex crimes committed by professional footballers or the match fixing, or the back handers, or the agents screwing the game. But no, let's hang around the den and find a Neanderthal and wait for him to get pissed so he says something ignorant. Shock horror Millwall have a racist. We have a tv programme and we don't have to mention John terry either. This is a stitch up against Millwall and I wonder why the cameras avoided the premier league?
I think that the Millwall fans of my acquaintance would agree that a life ban would be appropriate. I did not suggest that I could condone what Marlon King had done and don't.... However, he was sentenced to 18 months for what he did. If he had been a plumber would you propose stopping him from being a plumber when he came out of nick. His profession (footballer) is not one which carries a ban for committing criminal offences I don't condone shouting at him either but recognise that is what happens in the game today. I agree with you that Millwall have become an easy target for the media lovies in sky and the bbc who wouldn't want to queer their own pitch by leveling allegations at a Premiership club. However, my point stands, I don't condone racism in any form whether at a football match or on the tube. I also agree that the FA and the media should be looking at the disproportionate amount of sex crimes committed by professional footballers. I don't doubt that the level of wages paid to young footballers and the adulation afforded to them convinces them that they are beyond the law or even civilised behaviour. I for one just hope that the academy at our club helps to keep them grounded and aware of the norms in our society. You suggest it was a stitch up against Millwall and to some extent I would agree with you. They did appear to have made repeat visits to Leeds as well but didn't strike as "lucky" in finding a racist or two off guard at Elland Road or other clubs.
a life ban to a football stadium is hardly comparable to 18 months in a prison. one is an inconvenience and the other takes away a large chunk of your life.
The real injustice here lies at FA headquarters. Unlike plumbers, they are the regulating body of a professional association and therefore rather like the law society or the medical council can suspend, fine or indeed remove players from the association if they behave badly enough. They have that power but only will use it when the correct player comes along. Marlon King for some reason with his long criminal history including thefts, pysical and sexual assaults does not meet that criteria, indeed he was not even considered for a ban, I wonder why? Considering the bans handed down in the John Terry and Suarez cases.....
The two wrongs don't make a right here. Marlon King may well be as unpleasant a person as you could hope to meet, but that does'nt make racist behaviour at a football ground okay. However, I'm with Typical on this one. If the 'five blokes' theory is true, (I have'nt seen the program so I'm judging on this thread) it hardly amounts to widespread racism, and to be honest, most Millwall fans would probably consider it a bit libellous to scram up a report about 'Racism at the New Den' on the basis of such a small minority of the crowd. If the club refused to do anything about it, that would change things, but there's no evidence of that here, just a couple of investigative rats looking for a cheap headline.
This country has such a stick up its backside over racism. It's the elephant in the room at every dinner party and wedding I have ever been too. I usually ask the wife "Can I tell my joke about the Jamaican fishmonger today" "Oh no dear, that will be a faux pax, given that Danella Lloyd is sitting at our table" Nobody knows the rules anymore, its perfectly acceptable for Spurs fans to sing really racist songs in some sort of double racist sweetner thing and rap stars to sing about shooting each other in the bottom. But a single idiot at Millwall grunts some sort of neaderthalic noise and the whole world needs fixing. It will get to the stage where child killing is acceptable as long as they are not from abroad. If the FA want to find racist behaviour, employ me. I will find it at every ground, black taxi cab, employment office, coffees shop and supermarket car park. Racism is not the real scourge of modern football but the FA want you to think it is. Instead of the real evil of widespreadcorruption, and Fergie time.
For the gutter press if you search hard enough you'll get your shock horror story, here from todays Daily Mail; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...acist-club-Jonathan-McEvoy.html#axzz2KmJctdkc However if you read the story it took him five days before he found someone who would talk to him and only then the fella insisted on not revealing his identity, it mentions he is unemployed but doesn't mention whether he bunged the bloke a few quid but i suspect something was agreed. However the British press have fed us the line that Russian football is like a series of modern day Nuremburg rallies and Liverpool are geared up to walk of the pitch if they go a couple of goals down as they have been taught the Russian word for Black and will insist that they had heard it if things don't go their way. The fact of the matter is Russia and a lot of Eastern European countries are not as PC as the rest of Europe but when you consider its only about 25 years ago that the rest of the world was opened up to them after the Communist cocoon was lifted, they'll not doing too bad.
Did you get the ad blaring at you too? That's what I got. I also want to buy a Honda Civic. One day I'll learn not to click on Daily Mail links.
I didn't read the whole of the article, but I did see the reporter saying he/she had spent 5 days searching for a racist Zenit fan in their main pub. I can imagine them now getting desperate, screaming 'bring me to your racist'. Haven't seen the Sky report, but if typical's statement is true, and no reason for me to doubt it, that's a really low percentage. I think every club that averages over 10k at matches will have at least one fan who will occasionally say or sing something racist. If you look hard enough, you'll find it. If I was to put together a list of grounds where I'd expect to hear racism, I'd have Elland Road, The New Den, Stamford Bridge, Turf Moor and Ewood Park fairly high on the list. I guess it's not surprising that Sky aren't brave enough to tackle the brand that made them, so Millwall and Burnley get the attention and the 'champions of Europe' (not Leeds) are left alone. Lee Hughes, Marlon King, Ched Evans, El Hadji Diouf. Not sure where their race comes into it, to be honest. Which reminds me. I think the most disgusted I felt at a football match was Sheff Utd home last season. Covered End sang the "she said no" ****e that makes 'banter' out of rape. Then the away fans sang what I think was "he'd **** you an' all". Maybe I heard wrong, but that's what I heard. I'm glad I've not been to a match where anyone decided to comment on Jimmy Savile.
