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Managerial records...

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Uber_Hoop, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    This is way too early but I was curious, OK? Feel free to move on and read something more relevant, meaningful or interesting if you like.

    I was wondering how Redknapp's QPR Premier League records compares with Messrs Warnock and Hughes so far. So here it is...

    Warnock
    P 20, W 4, D 5, L 11, F 19, A 35, Pts 17, GD -16

    Hughes
    P 30, W 6, D 6, L 18, F 33, A 54, Pts 24, GD -21

    Redknapp (but including the game Bowen was in charge, so a bit naughty)
    P 14, W 2, D 7, L 5, F 10, A 18, Pts 13, GD -8

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    Points per game
    Warnock 0.85, Hughes 0.80, Redknapp 0.93

    Win ratio
    W 0.20, H 0.20, R 0.14

    Goals scored per game
    W 0.95, H 1.10, R 0.71

    Goals conceded per game
    W 1.75, H 1.80, R 1.29

    Goals difference per game
    W -0.80, H -0.70, R -0.57

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    So there you have it. To the extent that it means anything - and it probably means very little (very little indeed after only 13-14 games) - Redknapp has a better points per game ratio than his predecessors, but a poorer win ratio. He has a better defensive record that his predecessors, but a poorer goals scored record.

    If you extrapolate Redknapp's record through to the end of the season we'll just about scrape 30 points and be relegated off the back of a couple more wins, a series of goalless draws and the ocassional spanking.

    C'mon Harry, you've got nothing to lose. So set your team up to attack, attack, attack. I've got to the stage where I'd rather lose 4-7 to Manchester United than 0-1, to be perfectly honest.
     
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  2. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Exactly this.
    Play 4-3-3 or even 4-1-3-2......or even, God forbid, 4-4-2....but for ****'s sake, let's go down fighting Harry.
     
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  3. BrixtonR

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    So out of the frying pan and into the Blackpool then - but without all them points the Tangerines picked up along the way!

    I'm up for that - or ANY variation under the circs.
     
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  4. rangercol

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    Nothing to lose Brix. I'll be seriously cross if I sit and watch us play "park the bus" against Utd. Got to go for it now imo.
     
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  5. DaveThomas

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    I think Harold tried that Saturday to be fair ... I think he planned to hold them for 45 mins and then go for the win. trouble is we were 2-0 down.

    Sorry lads but I can't see this ... blow it all because we are going down isn't the way.. If the lads weren't trying fair enough

    I see it as us getting that break everyone goes on about ... I believe we deserved to win at Chelsea because we played well ... there is no reason we cannot repeat that form on any given day .. I see it at on this day that we go into each game wanting to win... i believe that has been the case even against city ... you hold a proven team and stay in the game so you give yourselves the chance ... and if are behind or level then you go for it which we did against Norwich. I think however some one here have a point and maybe we could go much faster into games maybe play Zamora now after his injury from the off and then Bettie replaced him as and when. I agree that we haven't defended a lead yet but going gun ole in attempt to score more than the opposition isn't how i would do it.
     
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  6. rangercol

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    We don't have to be reckless with it, but let's face it, nothing else has worked so far has it? We must get players into the box and create many more chances. We can't rely on sticking away the isolated chances we may get whilst parking the bus.
    Harry has a reputation for playing attacking football.......be now needs to live up to it.
     
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  7. DaveThomas

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    I just watched the highlights again off the QPR website: I suggest if you can watch it a few times.

    Yes Swansea played good stuff here and there but those goals were all mad and we did not give up and regardless of the scoreline we still looked ok going forward and No i don't agree that the Swans took their foot off. The score line I now think made them look a lot better than they were.

    Goal One: The ball was flat and moved all over the place ... it was a very average shot and a goal keeping error and a lucky touch by Michu
    Goal Two: Brilliant Ball by WR and great run but again that shot was awful and should have been held and like Rat boy the ball came straight back to him.

    Our goal: robbed by Taarabt and a far better shot that was well saved by Vorm which again fell to Zamora who followed up like Michu did but finished with class

    Goal Three: ... good play by the Swans but that was a cross and it should of been cut out ... terrible mistake by Cesar

    Ref missed a clear handball

    Goal Four: Samba if you watch just slipped in stride allowing that ball to roll onto Michu and that was a great composed finish.

    After that who on the board can say we didn't continue to play football ... Adel and Townsend both had chances and SWP hit the bar.

    Watch it again regardless of the score ... posts saying that was the worse performance or that we are the worse team in premiership history ... FFS and to wonder why I gave out a bit of chops

    Get a grip ... we have it all there in our team and now its time to believe we can get out of this
     
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  8. rangercol

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    I'm not saying any of that. But I don't think we get enough players forward and Harry has to address that. All opinions of course and if we play 11 men behind the ball against Utd and nick a draw or win then you will be proved right. However, I don't believe we should play that way in games like Southampton away and Sunderland at home.
     
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  9. Uber_Hoop

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    What worries me as far as Redknapp's tactics to date are concerned is why he hasn't played more up front. I can understand that he's had injuries. I can understand that you can't do it in every game, particularly against the top sides. I can understand that he tried the fringe players (in the FA Cup for example) and found many of them wanting.

    But if he didn't rate Bothroyd, Cisse or Campbell, why only buy Remy? The bid for Odemwingie failed and now Campbell and Cisse have been loaned out. Did they screw up by not getting another forward?

    Taarabt is many things, but he's not a striker.

    Personally, I'd be bolder going forward. Assuming all are fit, then I'd put Bothroyd up front with Remy. In the week leading up to the game I'd get Joe Jordan to 'boot camp' Bothroyd, shout and snarl at him constantly. Get him all fired up. Tell him to win balls aggressively in the air. Remind him how to shield the ball from the opposition. Show him how to lay it off.

    I'd re-teach Remy the offside rule.

    Taarabt and Granero should take dead ball after dead ball after dead ball after dead ball.

    Presumably Diakite is back soon if he hasn't been crocked? I'd drop Derry (sorry Shaun, don't hurt me!) and stick Diakite in as sweeper. Townsend can take the other midfield position.

    Back four can go back to being a solid unit. Maybe toy with Mbia in place of Hill. Why not?

    If Cesar is unfit, it's gotta be Green. Why was Cesar selected if he wasn't 100%? Did he tell a porky?
     
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  10. rangercol

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    All makes sense Uber.
    Play 4-1-3-2 and get more players forward. Play Taarabt in the centre of the three with Townsend and Hoilett either side. Got to scare the opposition with some attacking intent. If not that formation, then at least play 4-3-3 allowing it to become 4-5-1 when we lose the ball.
     
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  11. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    You might be right, Col, but I was thinking of Granero instead of Hoilett. Happy with either, though. I just like the idea of kicking Taarabt's and Granero's butts all week until they can deliver through balls to feet, dead balls to heads and free kicks to test keepers. Then sticking them on the park to show us what they've learned.

    Hoilett worries me, perhaps more than Granero. He was an exceptional young talent at Blackburn, but has shown precious little since donning the hoops.
     
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  12. rangercol

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    Where would you play Granero?
     
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  13. Uber_Hoop

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    I'd play Taarabt left, Granero in the middle, Townsend right. Diakite just in front of the back four.

    We've seen Taarabt play left and cut inside very effectively in the past. If Townsend can do the same down the right, and Granero can find some vision, then lets get some balls into the box for Bothroyd to play target man and some balls along the deck for Remy to use his pace. There's pace from Townsend, man-beating ability with both him and Taarabt.

    A fit Diakite can be told to patrol across the back four and not venture across the halfway line. With Mbia in central alongside Samba, plus Fabio left and Onuoha right, I give it a try.

    If the midfield doesn't work, you've got Hoilett, Jenas, SWP and Derry on the bench, so a few good options to change the tempo. Could even try Traore at left midfield. Mackie is another option of course.

    Thoughts?
     
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  14. rangercol

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    Wouldn't be against trying that mate.
     
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  15. DaveThomas

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    Agreed re Sunderland and its is about time we showed the class we have
    It's crazy things don't work
    I would say to our players show the world exactly how better you are than the saints also press like **** because them saints will be fired up
    The Man U game is so important now as there is no tougher test at the moment
     
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  16. KooPeeArr

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    Have you been on the spreadsheets again Ubes? ;)

    I'd personally like to see Granero in one of the two deeper roles. We need a ball player to set up the attacks rather than hoping it gets far enough up the pitch for the creative elements to have some influence.

    He's looked sharper of late too.

    Ultimately, we should be looking for Zamora and Remy to play together and I reckon they'll compliment one another well.

    Tarbs and Townsend should then go out wide but with the freedom to roam when we have the ball.
     
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  17. rangercol

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    You know as well as I do that confidence is a huge thing. Our players aren't as bad as their performances portray. They simply have zero confidence.
     
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  18. KooPeeArr

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    Absolutely.

    We need some lady luck first just to lift the weight from their collective shoulders.

    ...and we need it very soon.
     
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  19. DaveThomas

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    I agree with Uber and would play Diakite if his head is right I would also get Bosingwa back ASAP both are very good going forward

    We have such a good squad we simply cannot go down

    These players have to click now there is a heap of talent lads

    Remy plays on the edge and just needs to hold himself

    It will come

    It needs a massive adeline shock in the arm it's had to be against United
    No excuses there if you can't raise your game against them then bollocks

    No respect shown none

    samba so important now

    Bring it on

    I want united dispatched

    Come on
     
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  20. Ranger4ever

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    I think you're spot on Uber. Great analysis of our attacking options, we can then use Zamora for second half if we need to keep pushing for goals & Mackie if we need to adopt a more defensive approach, thereby giving adequate rest for Remy & Zamora.
     
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