Well Done Norway and Ash

I try to keep away from these issues but for what it's worth my own take on Dai is this.

1) No problems with his views on football. He is as entitled as anyone to express them but I confess I disagree with him much of the time - and he often reverses his opinions shamelessly and ignores people when they challenge him on it.

2) I do not like the fact that he posts on other boards slagging off his fellow Swansea posters. If he has anything to say, he should keep it "in house" and deal with any issues on our own board. It is our raison d'etre and it does smack of being sneaky by doing it on other boards (eg: Liverpool). It's none of their business.

3) What I really dislike is when he resorts to name calling (eg: stupid, idiot etc) when posters disagree with him. I understand that he is often the recipient of such remarks but they are usually borne out of exasperation with his attitude. Whatever, whoever resorts to this is out of order but I notice that Dai is often the first offender. This invites retaliation.

As for the mods, they are doing their best in a thankless task. We should be grateful to them for giving up their free time for us. They will never please everyone but for those who criticise there is an obvious option. Get off your backsides and volunteer your own services. No? I thought not. Just my opinion.

 

Thankyou for your opinion, Ivor, appreciated as always.

Iti, please don't butt in when you don't know the full story. Its a24 hour ban, and hopefully he'll come back and change his ways.

 

Chico!
Why are you having a go at me? Am I not allowed to stand up for those denied a voice?

 

I'm not having a go, and apologies for sounding like I was, but Dai had a warning and he chose to ignore it and have a go at me.

He refuses to believe he is inn the wrong a lot of the time and most of the bickering here is down to him. Him slagging us off on the Liverpool boats was the last straw.

He will return in 8 and a half hours.

 

Chico!
Your board, your rules fella. I just think Dai is the latest to be marginalised by a click. He can be a pain in the arse but it's people like Dai who create debate. Don't let a small few usurp debate fella. Hope your well.

 

The thing is though, Dai doesn't create debate, he creates arguments. I think the fact that yours is only the 3 post I've seen that doubts the decision to ban him speaks volumes.
When bans have been dished out before it usually causes uproar, this is one that most feel was needed.
If he was banned for simply causing debate then I see your point, but there's a lot more to it that you're obviously not aware of

 

SA9!
So you're implying that I am the only one that doubts the decision to ban. Have you considered the fact that other readers may be reluctant to offer Dai support through fear of also becoming marginalised? Remember this isn't the first time you've been here. Or maybe you don't remember the others.

 

ivor, that's pure hypocrisy and you know it, Dai isn't the only one who brings Liverpool into many threads on your board(for many different reasons)and if your clubs board is none of our business the reverse is surely true,no?

If a poster comes onto our board and slates or praises LFC it's our business and the posters right to do so.

 

i reiterate poor decision to ban him however that is my opinion which i am entitled to, no reluctance here iti. i am sure my fellow jacks will support my opinion regardless if they agree or disagree, remember opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one

 

He wasn't wrongly banned. He purposely started a controversial (very Wum-esque) thread and Norway Jack responded to it with many counter arguments. He ignored those counter arguments and went on to insult fellow Swansea posters.

He had no intentions of a footballing debate.

Well done mods.

 

ok dai is a ****er, hands up who agrees

 

shogs!
Is that the closed thread in which he refered to others as "wallies" and "losers"?

Come on fella, not exactly hard core is it?

 

No but it shows what his actual intentions were IMO.

 

Well said Musty, whoever disagrees will and should speak out. Nothing wrong with that.
As I've stated on many occasions regarding Dai, 99 against 1 doesn't make the one wrong or the 99 right, but by the same token it doesn't make the 99 bullies (as has been the accusation before) I'm just saying that the strength of feeling on here now is that enough is enough as Dai doesn't argue with any credibility, he just argues for the sake of it which is derailing threads and pissing most posters off.
Some would say that those who it pisses off should go elsewhere, but when that's the majority on here the Mods have to decide which action to take and they've got this one spot on for me.
It's only a 24 hour ban and you can bet as sure as death and taxes that Dai will be back on here later saying that he's had millions of private messages of support

 

I think it will go one of 2 ways:

1) he will be so indignant that he has been banned for "speaking the truth" that he won't come back
or
2) it will be like water off a duck's back and he will carry on as normal

I've come to the conclusion over the years that the easiest thing to do is just let it go over your head. He latches on to an idea, many of which are completely bizarre IMO, and then is like a dog with a bone with it until the next idea is formulated. Whether these ideas/opinions are created is his own head or fed to him through some other source is a mystery.

 

You're all forgetting that Ash warned Dai and Dai became abusive.

Was this a case of Dai undermine a mod ? Well only he can answer that.

Ash made a decision and it is up to our mods how the board is run not anyone else especially Cardiff and Liverpool fans.

Nice to see that an Everton mod had got some common sense though

 

I disagree with banning anyone unless it's disruptive, threatening, insulting or obscene wumming from outside fans. John Hughs for example. But when it's one of our own do what I do and take the advice from my signature - ignore him. That's what the button is there for. Apart form his liberal use of the word 'idiot' (which does breach the rules btw) he does post football related comments even if we disagree with them.

However, I can fully understand why there was a ban here and I'm not saying the Mods are out of order because our mods have to exercise discretion and it's not up to us to take a vote. But it's just not something I particularly agree with. Going onto another team's board and poking fun at his own team's fans is beyond the pale though and he was asking for trouble doing that.

Ages ago when it seemed I was the only one who used to have spats with Dai, he was supported by Norway who said he had every right to say what he liked. DragonPhil even said "Keep going Dai!" I remember it clearly. Sorry both but it's true. Maybe if we'd have warned him years ago like I asked it wouldn't have got this bad.

 

i have sent dai 2,767,504 messages of support

 

So it was you all along?

 

I strongly dis agree with this. There is no click here,both myself and Ash have taken a very relaxed approach to Daiswan gate !! there comes a time when you have to concern yourself with the many and not the few,thats where we are now, there was too much disruption to the board and that was affecting the input of valued members.

I understand people fall out now and again and there is often bickering as a result,that is norml,its not a perfect world at the end of the day. I think we as MODS try to do anything other than get involved but sometimes there is no option. Its a difficult task to try and please everyone on here and as other posters have mentioned they dont agree with Dai having a temp ban,problem is that we were left with little choice and basically had no option other than to take the sting out of the situation as best we could, if somebody doesnt respond to being warned about their conduct then what lse can you do ?

I have been a very strong supporter of Daiswans input over the years, nothing wrong with left field views but he doesnt actually debate anything anymore,its his view and everyone else is an Idiot! supply the guy with the truth and the correct facts and you are still branded an idiot1 that is not creating debate !! look up the definition of the word debate and you will see what i mean.

Mods have to serve the overall majority IMO, if a hundred people tell you a Horse is Black and five say its White then most rational people tend to listen to the Majority.

Im all for people chirping in from other boards but unless you understand the dynamics of our forum you really dont have that much of a clue as to how difficult this poster has become. Its not a flash in the pan its something that has been getting progressively worse over the past few months,to the point where nobody actually knows if the guy follows his home team or not !! im sure he is a proud jack of course but it doesnt excuse his subtle WUMS over many months and indeed years. As i said before, i can take the odd winding up on the forum, it adds to the flavour and there is a devil inside all of us, its when it crosses over to less debatable content, content triggered for the response and subtle WUM material that it becomes an issue. Baiting a trap if you like!

This is where we are at with Dai. I like the guy very much but there is a thing called respect, its the only way a forum can work,dis-agreeing about stuff is easy enough but rubbing up regular posters on a regular basis is not on, he has moved steadily in this direction in the last few months ,i suspect because he has been embarrased on a few issues where his "facts" were put to the test and were found to be wide of the mark and very often totally wrong,the result of this has been a tendency to target and antagonise the induviduals who have called him out on his posts, a personal vendetta if you like but disguised as genuine content.

That is also one of the reasons this has been a long game in terms of what the MODS have done, he had to be left alone long enough so that the majority of regular posters could see the fall in his genuine content,once its clear to many then its easier to sort out and therefore it does not become the witch hunt some less involved posters think it is