The mentalist was a complete lunatic, the brown haired bird was desperately trying not to laugh - hilarious. His last indignity it seemed was getting stabbed in the arse. Quite apt as it was Leicester!
There was actually a better programme about it last night with Tony Robinson. They showed that the Princes in the Tower's dad was clearly illegitimate,and so neither he nor the Princes had a claim to the throne. The clues were two brothers being the dead spit of their dad and their births celebrated, while the first borns birth was barely mentioned, was over 6'4" and broad (just like the Queens favourite bowman) compared to the other short thin brothers. The other crucial clue was the King being abroad a month either side of the possible conception date.
I found it funny how she said he didn't look like a tyrant. She looked emotionally drained when she found out he had the same features the "Shakepearian propaganda" says Richard III had ie hunchback & feminine features- everything her little group refutes. Wonder what the Henry Tudor Appreciation Society will think of this (if there is one).
Oh I think it was nailed on he had them killed. The discussion was more about the why. They argued that. as the illegitimacy of their father was such an open secret their accession to the throne wasn't much of a motive.
There are probably too many years past now for us to be able to refer to the present royal family as a bunch of Norman invaders but I wonder whether the mafia style feuding that went on back then (Richard III's time), was seen by the good folk of England for what it really was? It's possibly a futile exercise to adopt a "what might have been" approach to these things but personally I come down on the side of those historians who take the view that the successful Norman invasion (rather than ushering in an age of enlightenment to the otherwise dark ages, which was what many of us were taught by the educated establishment until relatively recently) was the beginning of an attempted eradication of English culture and customs - at least from my wholly self-taught and no doubt inexpert point of view. Fortunately, English people have a proud record, through the history of English radicalism - a term I use without wishing to be overtly political because I know that's against the rules, rather a comment on the long pursuit of genuine democracy for which we have to be constantly vigilant - of achieving great things on behalf of the common folk. I read one of my favourite books ever a few years ago, written by a Professor Oman about the history of Anglo Saxon England up to 1066. I would recommend it to anyone. The final and rather sad line in the book is given to a Saxon poet at the time of the Conquest who writes - "Cold heart and bloody hand, now rule this English land". I suspect what's really important in our lives has little to do with whether the boss is Tudor or from some other mob. But we should learn it. It's our history. I have to say, reading and being able to participate in some of these off topic things on a Hull City forum is pretty cool. On a final and very important note, I'd just like to say that I remain supremely confident of our chances of securing automatic promotion this year!!
I wonder why it is called a "NORMAN invasion"? normandy is in France, so wouldnt it be more apt to say "the ****ing frogs raped our country again"??
its about 5 mins walk from the bridge. every time they put a spade in the ground a bit more history comes up. when they were building the holiday inn they found the roman baths and jewery wall then just down the road when they were digging the foundations for the tax office they found a complete town with streets and drainage---that is still there ready for the tax office to fall down so they can find it again----rumour has it that just below that is nottingham forests last trophy.
.. I read somewhere that 'Normandy' and 'Normans' is derived from 'North Men' - the Normans in France having originated from Scandinavia (Vikings) hence 'men of the north' ... bit like over here in that Essex, Wessex, Sussex and Middlesex are abbreviations of East Saxons, West Saxons, South and Middle ...
Yes Norman's we're Scandinavian/Vikings, not frogs. And interesting about all that glynak, didn't know any of that. Going to try watch the king Richard programme tonight but still behind on the 2 episodes of the new series of top gear so I'll see if I can fit it in.
Normandy & France were two different nations back then. Same as Brittany. It was only later on when they merged together to form modern France.
I think her existence until now revolved around a noble and handsome fantasy figure that she always felt 'connected to' (I'll leave it to the imagination as to how far she had explored that!) ... the reality ws a bit of a shock for her - i.e that he did indeed have a spinal abnormality - shouldn't take away from the fact that he was a warrior King who led from the front and was killed in a desperate charge to reach his (non-combatant) rival having realised that he would otherwise lose at Bosworth because he had been betrayed by the Earl of Northumberland and the even more treacherous Stanleys ..
I like your thinking but surely if that was the logic behind the naming of the county it would now be called "Sisterfolk"?
Exactly. Etymology (study of origins of words and their meanings) is very important when looking at history. Other examples are Cornwall - a combination of Corn/Horn (as in a peninsula) and WAL being an old Celtic word for stranger. Cornwall literally means Strangers from the Peninsula. Wales is derived from the same root WAL- simply meaning strangers. Dutch and Deutsch share the same root. Meaning 'people' France is derived from the name of the tribe of the Francs that simply means free. It's interesting to learn - honestly !!
