What you mean? Make signings and still fail to secure top 4? Then that's the proof in the pudding that Wenger needs to go, though as I said, I think he should go whether we get top 4 or not, we are regressing season after season with him. Unlike some fans on here who have low ambitions and a loser mentality, happy to simply scrap for 4th spot amongst the likes of Spurs, Everton, West Brom, I prefer to see my team moving forward and challenging for the title, as well as winning trophies.
Then instead of whining how about we WAIT until signing happens. Wenger said himself most signing happen in the last week of the TW, which is probably when he will make his moves.
The first post was a bit ambiguous.. I meant: what if he has transfer targets that he bids for but no matter how hard he and his team try they can't secure their signature?
Wenger earlier said 1-2 new players would help with our upcoming congestion fixture, by the end of January, or even by january 31st, the majority of that congestion would've come to an end. we need new players NOW, not the end of the week or the last day. By the end of January new signings won't even matter if we get bad results to Chelsea and Liverpool, which we most likely will.
To me this is the same tired old BS argument that I've heard on here for a couple of years, Equating not winning the title with not having the aspiration to win it, doesn't add up. To accuse the fans of not wanting it is wide of the mark.
I'm sorry, I just don't see that, managers always have up to 2-3 targets, so if you can't get target 1, you move to 2, and so on, and if you fail with all 3, then you need to get the **** out because your transfer business skills are really ****. I don't buy that though, that the transfer targets were just impossible to get. Secondly, there are a TON OF GOOD PLAYERS who we can get that will not really be a hassle, one example is M'villa. And something we also have to consider, why is that many other teams, usually manage to get their transfer targets, while Arsenal always lag behind and fail???? This goes back to a point I made, which might simply mean we're totally **** in transfer dealings, I think it's a combination of both, we're **** in dealings, and lack the will as well.
If someone's a fan who wants to win the title, then my comment isn't aimed at them. But if someone is content, satisfied, and pleased with merely scrapping for top 4, then my post is aimed at them 100%. Now if someone's a fan who wants to win the title, and has true aspirations for that, or at least to challenge for it, then they sure as hell cannot be happy with what's happening at this club with the performances. For **** sakes, 21 points behind United? That's disgraceful, shambolic, diabolical, and a true indication of how far we have regressed. 21 ****inggggggggg points! We might get 4th spot, but even if we do, and end up 15 plus points behind the champs, it means **** all as the gulf merely shows how far away we still are. It shouldn't even be called the top 4 anymore, because it isn't, we're nowhere in the league of United or City, it's the top 2, with Chelsea in 3rd, then you have Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, West Brom, and Liverpool all in their own bracket, of which we might come out on top.
I mean sure we didn't already beat the Scousers 2-0 at their place, nor does Chelsea have a terrible away record,
Well I think there are some fans who are 'satisfied' with merely ending 4th, maybe not thrilled or over the moon, but none the less just 'satisfied'. For example me, I'm not satisfied at all with finishing 4th, last season I got happy we ended 3rd considering the circumstances, but now it seems that this is going to become the norm, and I don't accept it, I'm not going to be happy or cheering the fact of coming 4th or even 3rd this season. It's been another bad year in the league where we have made absolutely no progress at all. Not every season has to be a season where we end 4th and then say oh well it's not bad 'considering the circumstances', those circumstances are down to ourselves, or down to Wenger who puts us in those bad circumstances. As I said, the way I feel, I don't really get that excited for league games now, because I can't get myself motivated for only having 4th spot. Cup games are what mainly excite me now, because there's something actual to play for. Sitting 21 points behind United, leaves me with no inspiration whatsoever in the league. 21 points behind United, how depressing and deflating is that?
Show me a fan who doesn't want to win the title ? I think you're confusing aspirations with reality. It doesn't follow that because Arsenal aren't winning the title, they've not got the ambition to do so, or that the fans accept a 'losing mentality'.
When it comes to the club itself, I don't think they want to win the title, and their actions have proven that. Let me explain, yes off course they want to win the title, every one wants to, even promoted teams, if you asked their manager, do you want to win it, they will say yes. But there's a difference between want, and action. Arsenal's actions, the club, indicate they have no real goal or aim, or plans on getting that title. Arsenal's main goal is clear, simply consolidating their 4th position, and all their actions have been toward that, rather than pushing for the title, or challenging for it.
I think you have to be pragmatic. We're not going to win the title this year, and we knew that before the season started. So having an aspiration to win it, is about trying to put in place the systems to move closer towards that target. I think Arsenal are on the right path, it doesn't have instant results, but neither is it lowering ambition or having a loser mentality.
As I said, if not winning, at least challenge? We didn't win in 2008, but I still say that was one of the best Arsenal teams, that was a REAL Arsenal team, and I have very fond memories of that season, even though we ended up with nothing in terms of silverware. We finished a mere 4 points behind United, a very very strong United team as well, one of the most complete United sides in a long time. That's the problem, we're not even challenging. We have made no progress from last season. We're back in the same exact position, hoping to have another good run in the second half of the season to catch up with Spurs and to overtake them. Zero progress has been made in the league from the last, and for me, that's a big problem.
