I'm bringing this back up as it's not necessary to create a new poll. People can change their vote, and those who haven't voted can vote. After a reasonable run, the Man City game has again exposed Arsenal's lack of defensive discipline, and tactical prowess. I'm still a firm believer that Arsene should leave, and at the end of THIS season, rather than the next when his contract expires. To me, this squad is nowhere near competing for anything, yet Wenger is refusing to buy during this window. Even top 4 looks like a close call, with both Everton and Spurs currently above Arsenal. His current contract runs until summer of 2014, but I firmly believe he should be moved on this summer rather than waiting for next, and he should leave immediately after the final kick of the season. The reason is: The 2014 World Cup. If Arsene leaves after next season, the players are away. Anyone new coming in has restricted time to get to know the squad, and to identify and bring in targets. He starts with a fatigued squad he doesn't know, and a few rushed transfers. If Wenger goes this summer, anyone new coming in has the whole summer to identify problems, bring in their team, with new coaches and new ideas, and conduct their transfer dealings. All round, I think it's a better plan. Thoughts?
I'm starting to think he should. If we fail to make the Champions League someone should be brought in to take us forward. The Issue is THIS.. For the last 7 Seasons we have been forgiving Wengers reluctance to buy because we have been led to believe there was NO money available. We have also been using the excuse of wages ("ohh..we cant pay what City or United can") for our lack of strengthening. Both of these arguments have been proven to be false. Therefore the blame really does lie with the Frenchman. Wengers set up this ridiculous pay structure (a large factor in the clubs recent high profile departures) and even with money available and an obviously weak side the man is still seemingly unwilling to spend. Its upsetting to think Wenger's last Season at Arsenal could end with a 5-6th place finish.(if this does become his last year) He still has some great qualities but I'm starting to see a simularity between Brian Cloughs last few years of management. Wenger is stubbornly refusing to change with the times. Particularly strange for a guy who was once progressive.
# Lack of tactical variation to suit the opposition - we can pick the formation, and almost all of the starting 11 & bench every game. # Lack of any signings this window - Wenger described the squad as "complete" despite being in such a bad position. The money is there, the wages are there, he is refusing to spend. # Lack of decent defensive coaching. # Lack of delegation - he tries to be a one-man-army - transfers, wages, coaching, management. Compare it with SAF who has great coaches to take ALL of the coaching so he can just pick the team and decide if he wants a player. # Consistently playing players out of position. # "Socialist" wage structure - makes poor players hard to shift, and keeping good players difficult. All problems I see with Wenger, none of which will change. For me, Wenger must go at the end of the season.
Wenger should be given until the end of the season. That is all. I have a strong suspicion we may not make top 4 this season so fans should prepare for it.
I'm going to merge this into your other thread about whether Wenger should stay or go, seeing as they are on the same topic. Hope that's okay ?
With our infastructure, scouting network, youth system and resources I think there's plenty of managers that would do just as well if not better. I would be sad to see him go out like this though. In reality he just needs to adapt - but he seems unwilling.
I will reserve final judgement until the end of the season but if January comes and goes without quality reinforcement I will be very close to calling for his sacking. The man is so depressingly stale and unwilling to change with the times it's almost unbelievable. If you compare him with SAF over the last 8 years you see one manager adapting and innovating while the other has stagnated. This 'transitional period' has been shown to be a con job where we have exchanged success for a new stadium - something that was never mentioned when the stadium plans were put into place. I always maintained hope that sooner or later we would see several inspirational, exciting players come into the Emirates and we would return to greatness. This now seems as unattainable as ever. If we give him one more summer to reinforce the squad, I am no longer confident that Wenger will buy the correct players and once again elect to 'make do' with an insufficient squad, as he has done many times before. Also, it's not all about transfers. We seem like a very unintelligent team who seem naive and uneducated about how to adapt to different teams' tactics. This is ironic considering what Wenger has said in the past about his enthusiasm for intelligence in footballers. At times the team seem out of ideas and that they don't know what to do! All of these deficiencies reflect a manager who is incompetent and stuck in the past. Unless we see some serious improvement IMMEDIATELY then it pains me to say WENGER OUT!!!!!!!!! P. S. Guardiola, Laudrup and Klopp are just three names that could be considered as replacements.
Yeah this is indeed a sad day that the majority would rather he left at the end of the season (if we fail to finish top 4) you can include me in this. I almost can't believe I am even discussing Wengers departure but the mans stubbornness is now really ****ing annoying and I don't understand why he is unwilling to change his footballing philosophy if its clearly not reaping Arsenal any rewards. To the united fan who asked about replacements for Wenger.... Klopp, Guardiola, Hiddink are just a few that come to mind. Wenger has lost his mystique and its a bit of an emperors clothes moment in my opinion.
The biggest and most unforgivable thing would be for him to give this transfer window the middle finger which I suspect he is doing. Please prove me wrong Arsene and bring some much needed quality to this squad. Quality players are available so what exactly are you waiting for?
Out of the 3 I mentioned Hiddink is the proven manager especially as he managed in the premier league before, even if it was only for a season and he won the double with his time at Chelsea I believe.
Also if we were to finish outside the top four this season then Guardiola would not be such a risk IMO as he'd have less to lose by getting us back up there. It's not as risky an appointment as people are making out.
Agree with this to a large extent particularly the part about being stuck in the past. Wenger is a footballing romantic, rather than a realist. The systems which worked so well for us 10 or so years ago are no longer sufficient, nor do we have the players to implement them.
I have no doubt there will be a line of top managers looking for the managers job if it becomes available,the problem will be Wenger will probably have appointed his own successor by then.As for intrest in the job every one knows we are not a sacking club so any new manager will have plenty of time to build their own team which in itself is a big attraction along with the 7 million wage of course.
Im sick of this ridiculous arguement . You would think he is the only coach in the universe. Give it a rest .
Out of interest though, if Guardiola ends up at Chelsea which could well happen. Who would you replace Wenger with ?
Yep I'm a spur so it's none of my business but here's my 2 pence worth... If Arsenal get rid of Wenger now they are ****ed so he is here until the end of the season. The thing that has protected Arsenal is that they have a plan and have stuck to it for years...it's been less successful in recent years but they do have a plan and it is keeping in the top 4. The only other clubs who have had a plan in the past 10 years and stuck to it are Chelsea (their plan is irrelevant re who the manager is), Man Utd and Man City (who have had a plan for the past 5 years)...These 3 clubs have all had success on a regular basis. IF wenger goes they need a long term plan re the replacement...choosing a manager with one will damage your club...look at liverpool!
