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Tactical analysis

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  1. NORTHOLT

    NORTHOLT Active Member

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    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Fascinating that.
    I suppose this "false 9" position would work for us if Taarabt had better finishers than SWP and Mackie running off him?
     
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    Busy Being Headhunted Well-Known Member

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    a bit confusing for me, think I will settle for shots on goal = 4
     
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    Yes, very interesting. If Harry continues with this "false 9", maybe he will be looking more for a quick wide player who can finish well, rather than an out and out striker. Hoillet maybe the answer if we get in a quick quality CB, reducing the need to have both our wide men working back as much as they need to do today. Hoillet has probably not played so much because he is not as good defensively as SWP or even Mackie.
     
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  5. El Pirata

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    Absolutely not, it only worked because we were set to hit both Chelsea and Spurs on the counter attack. Why would we use 3 CM for Reading and Wigan. We need fast striker
     
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  6. NORTHOLT

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    yeh, good article.
     
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    The only thing I didn't like about the piece was Taarabt's relatively poor successful pass percentage; only about 50% found their man, which means half the time the Rs lost possession. That sort of statistic, of course, can't be considered in splendid isolation, as you have to take into account the quality of opposition, how Taarabt was closed down, the understanding with his team mates to whom he was passing etc. But the Rs remain a team unable to keep the ball for any significant period of time, and that can only mean trouble.
     
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    Don't think anyone suggested using 3 (defensive you mean?) CM against Reading and Wigan?
     
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    I know you didn't, but you suggested that Harry will be using Adel as false 9, but I think he uses him that way because we don't have a good striker and we really needed those 3 CM against Chelsea and Spurs. When we're not playing top 4 team we really need out an out striker
     
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    I noted from the article that this system was used by ball holding teams like Barcelona, obviously we are miles away from them, but in games against lesser opposition using Adel as a withdrawn target man in a more attaching formation with better ball players like Granero and/or Faulin in central midfield, and with at least one better goal scoring fast wide man than Mackie or SWP are, is an interesting idea for me. It would not involve such a major shift in formation from the way we played against Spurs and Chelsea, and may well use again against the best teams, to how we could set against the weaker teams. Having some consistency in formation probably helps, and also Adel's performances in this role have for me been far better than we were getting from Zamora in a more forward target man role earlier in the season.
     
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    Excellent article, many thanks Northolt. :smiley:
     
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    Sometimes things can be over analysed though because players aren't robots, they're men and they'll do their own thing at times. I must admit to never hearing the term "false 9" before. Tarbs did some great hold up play yesterday. He was all on his own and he worked manfully.

    Interesting article though North.
     
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    False 9 is the thing Messi did for Barca, just having one "striker" sitting in front the defenders and then drawing them away from their position thus leaving space fro wide players ( SWP in our case) to cut inside
     
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  14. Swords Hoopster.

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    I see. Cheers mate.

    Taarabt has played a kind of lone target man role (false 9) for the last two games now and he's done it extremely well. He's got more strength than I thought. It shouldn't be a surprise though as he's a big lump of a lad - although not very tall which keeps his centre of gravity low. He's not too unlike Kevin Gallen was in physique.
     
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    Perfect false 9 players are exactly like Adel and Messi, player who can keep possession and who can send the defense splitting pass
     
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    So the ball skills and sitting deep are the two things that differentiate a false 9 from a traditional "target man" like Zamora?
     
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  17. El Pirata

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    Yeah pretty much he's more a playmaker than a big guy who can hang on the ball. Because if the none of the opponent's CBs decide to leave their spot and mark the false 9 he gets a lot of time on the ball and you want to have a skillful player in that situation
     
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    Gotcha. You learn something new every day!
     
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  19. El Pirata

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    Fu.ck I just found some pictures. I'll put them

    Not so perfect example but you see CB disrupting the shape of the defensive line and leaving a huge space behind him

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    And this happens when CBs don't want to leave their place and mark Messi, with him it's always lose-lose situation

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  20. Swords Hoopster.

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    Thank's for those pictures Pirata. So if the defenders don't man-mark him and hold their line, doesn't the false nine just become another central midfielder, albeit with licence to roam?
     
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