****ing muppet Missing drug tests - no Attacking fans - no Taking cocaine (or any illegal substance) - no Nazi salutes - no Screwing team mates wives - no Nasty tackles - no Stamping - no You have zero credibility with your hate filled 1 sentence "Suarez does ALL them things" Total ****ing muppet
Ok, i'll change it to 'paying two brasses to have a threesome in a hotel room while your wife is heavily pregnant at home with your baby son.' Hope you find something wrong with that.
It would be quite shocking if there was any proof that an entire team are instructed to cheat by their horrible, drunk, bacon faced twat of a manager? Like if a former player from Holland called Jaap Stam wrote a book and told everyone that bacon face tells all his players to dive.
That's a perfect example mate! The papers weren't filled with cheating Everton because it wasn't a call your players were in control of. they weren't even filled with outrage that the official made a mistake. Fans will grumble about it & yes some allude to that old chestnut of certain referees in pockets, I don't (although to rule it out as a possibility ignores Italy lol) but that's it and that's how it should be. But this hysteria and I'm talking more from the media than opposition fans just smacks of creating a band wagon to sell papers. As I said Suarez isn't the first & won't be the last. As for why Everton & United get dragged into it. With all due respect and I'm not saying you shouldn't be here but maybe that has something to do with the fact that those usually posting on the "other side of the debate" on this board rarely seem to be from the actual opposition team but United & Everton posters. As I said to Tobes the other day. All your points might have merit but you'll forgive us for being sceptical when it always seems to be Everton & United fans taking up the Baton against us lol
Yesterday, when all this was kicking off i was listening to talk sport and Alan Brazil was discussing. After numerous football fans from all clubs came on and said that on this one occasion Suarez had done nothing wrong, Brazil decided to try to rile the public up into getting someone to call in who would castigate Suarez, its the media frenzy that drives me mad. I come on the forums to read other peoples views and as it was me who brought Everton into this I will tell you why, they were the first match after Liverpool, simple as, had it been Any other team I can guarantee there would have been somebody else for me to compare Suarez to as the point trying to be made was the one DF made. FTR Fellani is a player I have seen a few times live and the things he gets up to off the ball are unbelievable, that said he is a great player and I would love a player like that in my team, you know, an amazing talent that winds the opposition up and that is no saint, oh hang, maybe thats is where the comparison should have been....
I have already said In other threads that the media are getting a bit nuts over everything Yes we have a chops but on your board there were more fans than just Man U and Everton (theres only 3 of us lol) after the game the place was full of Sunderland and Chelsea fans and more besides?
That argument depends a lot on your views on moral relativism. Is it worse to steal the last loaf of bread from a starving person, or nick a loaf of bread off the shelves of Tesco? Steal a pensioner's ten grand life savings, or steal a billion dollars from the US government? But that's another debate entirely. What I still wonder at is how so many fans continue to utterly fail to understand how the media works. In general, all journalists care about is selling papers or getting people to read their websites. They will keep writing sensationalist stories about Suarez as long as people keep reading them, and getting in a frenzy about them. In the past two days this forum alone has linked to ESPN, Martin Samuel, Jon Champion, SSN and loads of other media outlets mentioning Suarez. The net result is that those sites and journos will get lots more hits to their Suarez articles, and hence more money from advertisers. They don't give a **** if you all hate them, as long as you are all reading their articles, sharing their links, and generally hanging on every word they say. What do you seriously think will happen the next time there's a controversial story involving Suarez?!?
True JOTL: There's about 5 threads including match thread on this topic. I largely remember you 3 lol, the usual united subjects but I also remember this modern occurrence of a flock of Swans and Page responding in exactly the same way & giving examples of Swansea "lack of morals" regarding tax avoidance etc. I do remember the Sunderland fan but from memory he was shall we say "quite simple" in his debating technique? Same as our wee Kyle from Arsenal last night lol. So transparent as a WUM to be pointless engaging fully with. The reason you, Tobes and others get full responses rather than "f off" is probably because we can see that you aren't just here to WUM all the time. But be honest; its the fact we are Liverpool, your traditional rivals that compels you to post most often here and that means you are mixing banter with valid points. Some will take the time to read those points, others will only see a rival fan yet again seemingly taking up the opposite side of the argument. Because let's face it: its a rare occurrence (it does happen though TBF) to find someone from the Blues or United coming on here to defend the LFC "side" of an incident against say a Swan or a Chav lol. I'll freely admit it depends in what mood I'm in whether I respond to the point or the wind up. I can only suggest its the same for others. Just like it would be reasonable to suggest (TBF, Tobes did the other day) that sometimes the intent of you lot posting isn't always about the topic at hand lol.
That Is fair tho lol I have noticed your recent Influx of Swans (prob BR fans) and District closet red Line likes a post here too ha ha
On first point that is why officiating bodies from Govts to FA create definitions of offence & attach the generally accepted suitable punishment. (If its not accepted it usually gets changed eventually). So I again point to my example of Suarez hand ball vs last defender taking down striker through on goal(I'm thinking it was Scholes or Neville but that could just be wishful ). Both have been attributed the same consequence : a red card, suspension from future games etc as opposed to say to beating a player unconscious. Yet fans allow themselves to be told by commentators & media that one is worse. Or is this the problem? Its the same as intrusive hacking/famous stories: we have laws against peeping toms and would castigate a neighbour for doing it but buy a paper because they sent out a pap to do exactly that! Is the media creating the stories or simply giving the public what they want? Can stories grounded in xenophobia or voyeurism be successful unless accepted by the vast majority of society, I mean Swarbs; on the other thread you pointed to Nazism and how it spread but despite having a very vocal minority presence in the UK it was rejected by the majority because we had strong competing ideologies of socialism & liberalism. So the real question might be is it our laws, rules that are wrong? They are reflecting how we want to be seen I.e. fair minded not perverts lol rather than how we actually are: a bunch of voyeuristic sexually repressed bigots. If our football was isolated & not forced to mirror global rules, do you think we'd have harsher punishments for diving than for a dangerous tackle? The application of existing rules unevenly by English refs suggests we would. ESPN goes against your point though. Although secretly pleased with a raising of their profile they were forced due to its largely negative slant to offer an apology. But that's because they set themselves the rule of impartiality to live up to. The paper hacks don't but then I personally rarely visit media sites that I know will be rabble rousing. Its also why I have got increasingly annoyed by the BBC's descent into the same sensationalist muck. They, like ESPN sign up to a code of impartiality but hide behind "inviting opinion" which now makes up a vast majority of their sports coverage. They hire a bunch of ex footballers to do jobs once done by professional journalists and so avoid the values the BBC should adhere to.
Stopped reading at that line mate, fail. Bleating, isnt that what you are doing now about suarez my my your are a complete fktard
Guessing you mean Gary Neville vs West Brom? A lot of that depends on interpretation - Neville's was a clumsy challenge from a defender who admitted himself that was the game he realised he was past it. I think SAF admitted he should have been sent off too. Didn't stop several prominent Liverpool and Chelsea posters suggesting it was a deliberate cheat (their exact words) supported by yet another corrupt ref. Just goes to show that the selective viewpoints don't just get directed at Liverpool. Also interesting to note that the rules say a deliberate handball to try and score a goal is a yellow card offence. Guess our ref for the Super Cup in 08 hadn't read the rulebook... That's the key point. Don't allow yourselves to listen to it if you think it's BS. Utd fans get regular BS about refs, conspiracies, Gill, it's all corrupt blah blah blah. We choose not to listen to it. The fact it's the media saying it doesn't make it true. I don't think they need acceptance by the vast majority of society, they just need attention. Same way the BNP has survived for so long - they have a iny minority level of acceptance, but the amount of attention they get has helped them keep alive. If you look at the actual levels of support they get in votes they are as irrelevant as the Referendum Party and the Monster Raving Loony Party. Ironically they are kept alive and in the public eye by the people who oppose them as much as by the people who support them. Not really - they are just like all the other media channels. Trying desperately to obtain viewers and readers, and using apologies to try and stave off the resulting negative publicity. Doesn't the Daily Fail have an "apologies and corrections" column in every edition? Digital communications mean that papers and news channels can't rely on their audience any more - if they are boring people will simply turn over or visit a different website - so they are always fighting for viewers. Controversy, jingoism and bias is well known as the best way to attract viewers and readers. That applies just as much to the BBC trying to justify its funding on the basis of the people who use its services. Just look at other countries for examples of how biased the state media can become - even with its recent lack of impartiality the Beeb is still more unbiased than most media channels around the world.
For what it's worth ... I think that EVERY player has cheated at some time or another...handball, a trip, a push, a dive, claiming a throw in or corner when they know they kicked it out etc...ALL this is cheating...just to differing degrees. I genuinely don't get the hysteria over the handball (apart from the fact it's Suarez) ... teams have scored goals from corners wrongly awarded yet no one criticises the player who claimed the corner even though he knew he kicked it out. I ain't a fan of Suarez and have disagreed with much of what I've read on the Liverpool thread about him being treated unfairly re the Evra saga...but this criticism is just rubbish. The fact that they claimed he was kissing his wrist to celebrate the handball even though he has been doing this for at least a year or so shows the media are either lying or ignorant.
