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Jon Champion

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Super G Ted'inho, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I knew there was something I missed off. But I shall let you do the honours from now...
     
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  2. That's definitely a Derby thing <ok>
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    It's a football forum for educated football fans with valid opinions.

    You resemble none of the above, hence why I dismiss you at every possible moment. Both yourself and your opinions are invalid. I suggest you seek help for you and your family as society is already riddled with enough moronic and disease ridden buffoons who are a drain on our economy.
     
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  4. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    It's not a Derby thing, it's a Jimmy thing. He's that desperate he'd let a stray dog chomp on it :)
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I'm not desperate. I would gladly let a stray dog chomp on it just for fun.
     
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  6. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    That's nothing more than sanctamonius, deluded piffle.

    I couldn't give a flying ****e, what your view on my opinion is, but don't kid yourself that yours is any more valid than mine. You continually look to create some faux sense of superiority, with your vile insults & jibes at family. You know **** all about me, my status in life nor my value to society in terms of economic impact. If you knew the truth you'd choke on your own bile, you thick midland inbred.
     
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  7. ...<laugh>
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Continue to post with the intent to WUM and annoy, and I shall continue to dismiss you and talk about you and your family in a derogatory way. I know it's personal but it's the only way to respond to morons such as yourself.

    And yes - my opinions are superior to yours. Everything about me is superior to you including my status in life and my value in society.

    Now please chomp me off.
     
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  9. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Furthermore, I apologise for insulting you and your family. It was uncalled for.

    Actually, I didn't mean that at all. I'm not sorry. I actually enjoy doing it and I will continue doing it.
     
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  10. Justovertheline

    Justovertheline Well-Known Member

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    TBH mate Insulting someone and their family makes you superior to no one Infact quite the opposite after reading your last few posts I feel embarrassed for you...
     
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  11. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    As I alluded to in my last post, you're dreaming if you think that's true. I won't be so crass as to explain exactly why that's the case, but I can assure you it is.
     
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  12. Page_Moss_Kopite

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    ESPN has defended its decision to apologise and hold talks with the commentator Jon Champion after he labelled Liverpool's striker Luis Suárez a "cheat" in the wake of the striker's controversial goal againstMansfield Town. The fall-out from Sunday's FA Cup tie continued with the Mansfield owner, John Radford, claiming Suárez embarrassed Liverpool directors and the manager, Brendan Rodgers, at Field Mill.The broadcaster made the unusual move of issuing a statement implying that Champion had erred in criticising Suárez after the 25-year-old controlled the ball with his right hand during its live coverage of the FA Cup third-round tie.
    After Suárez put the ball in the net for Liverpool's second goal Champion said the Uruguayan had scored by "illegal, nefarious means" and, after viewing the replay, declared: "That, I'm afraid, is the work of a cheat."
    It is understood that ESPN, which is in the third year of a four-year deal to show 25 live FA Cup matches per season, had not been contacted by Suárez or Liverpool but decided to act after a string of inquiries from viewers, Liverpool bloggers and the media.
    The club were aggrieved by Champion's comments but had no plans to take it any further. Following the match Mansfield's chief executive, Carolyn Radford, said the tie had been "stolen" from the club but Rodgers defended his player.
    The broadcaster has apologised for any offence caused and is believed to have discussed the subject at length in a post-match debrief.
    "We take our responsibility to deliver the highest standards of coverage to our viewers," said an ESPN spokesman. "ESPN's editorial policy is for commentators to be unbiased and honest, to call things as they see them. Inevitably this can involve treading a fine line on occasion, especially in the heat of the moment.
    "Comments during the Mansfield v Liverpool match caused offence where none was intended and we have spoken to our commentator about this incident."


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/07/luis-suarez-accused-embarrassing-liverpool
     
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  13. TheAmericanConnection

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    I have looked at it as well a few times but can not in all honesty see it being deliberate.

    Suarez is a player who is exceptionally quick from a standing start, may be his size/weight ratio but he scores a lot of goals by accelerating away from opponents.

    Being "sort of" forensic about it and seeking to establish/work with the facts my subjective view;

    From Video:

    Suarez lays ball off to Downing and then jogs to a position just outside the 18 yard box, then accelerates into the box hoping Downing has spotted his run and feeds the ball through,

    Ball arrives Suarez takes two touches shooting hard at the goal from a distance midway between the 6 yard box and penalty spot (9 yards out), from a fairly central position maybe a yard or two to the right of center of the goal.

    Ball hits keepers right thigh, ricochets up onto goalkeepers right arm and out into the path of Suarez hitting bottom of his right arm/wrist and deflecting downward onto Suarez left knee, bouncing forward onto the goal line were upon Suarez despondently and theatrically kicks the ball Into the roof of the net.

    Observations for:

    Goalkeeper had no time to react due to the power of the shot hence the miscontrol. As Suarez is accelerating toward the goalkeeper at a fair speed the distance between him and the keeper when the ball comes back at him is approximately half the distance it was when he first kicked it giving him half the time to react to a ball that a goalkeeper, who trains each day to speed up his own hand/arm/reaction speed, was unable to control.

    Suarez arms stay level, suarez-arms2.jpg he tends to run with his arms out for balance as he is about the best at shaping the body to go one way then going the other suarez-arms.jpg . At no point do his arms move toward the ball though in the process of trying to pull his arm away the impression given is confused.



    Suarez hands at the time of impact are in a fist suarez-arms3.jpg , if trying to control the ball surreptitiously you would tend to open the hand and this supports the argument regarding the speed the ball came back at him.

    Suarez eyes at no point are on the ball, always looking forward, and as eyes have the quickest reflex of all I would expect him to be looking at the ball if making a conscious effort to control it.

    The ball hitting Suarez wrist/arm then down bouncing off his left knee toward goal also demonstrates there was no forward push or attempt to knock the ball into the goal. To consider that he may have tried to knock the ball down so he could then legitimately kick it in the net in the time he had is unrealistic.

    The kick in the net at the end seems to be a recognition that things will be pulled back and then the pensive look when he realises the ref has let the goal stand strikes me as one of surprise. I honestly think he would have been happier if the ref had taken the problem away for him and pulled back play.

    Observations against:

    After the ball hits the keepers knee and then up onto the keepers arm and out toward Suarez the ball picks up lots of spin from the keepers two touches . Can't work out if the spinning ball increased the speed at which the ball fires toward Suarez or actually causes the ball to slow down or even loop a little affording him more time to avoid it.

    Regardless of the rules of handball, or questions of deliberate foul play or not, I think there may be an over arching rule regarding "gaining an advantage". In this case it is obvious that we did gain a huge advantage so if it was seen by the ref as they have stated, regardless of intent, I think in the spirit and rules of the game the goal should not have stood, but I am convinced on the balance of what I have seen that it wasn't a deliberate attempt to cheat and Jon Champion should have been more restrained.

    PS. Don't nkow how to post video as being asked for a youtube url and file is on my hard disk.
     
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  14. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Funny that - I actually do feel quite superior as a result of my posts. Do you have children? Are they already on parole?
     
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  15. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    I don't think it was deliberate purely going by the speed at which the ball rebounds back onto Luis's hand - his hand which was already in the path of the ball so it's not as if he had moved his hand towards it (i.e. Like Crouch and Henry).

    Don't get me wrong - he's no angel and he was caught handballing on two occasions (most notably against Ghana and in another game recently which got him his 5th yellow card). Both were deliberate and I can't argue against that.
     
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  16. DirtyFrank

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    TAC! You went and bloody applied cool, even headed analysis to it didn't you? That will go right over the heads of the outragers!
     
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  17. Justovertheline

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    Nah not working for me mate...Regardless of weather It was handball we can have a friendly bit of banter over It there Is no need to personally abuse people and their families over It at all

    Doesnt make you big/clever or superior In any way sorry...

    I think even your fellow LFC fans should tell you your making yourself look a bit daft tbh
     
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  18. TheAmericanConnection

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    Sorry Frank I'm just not getting the hang of this lark <confused>
     
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  19. Justovertheline

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    Or an analysis of an LFC fan perhaps lol?
     
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  20. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I'm afraid there is every need as ******s such as yourself and others cannot see the difference between banter and classic wummery. Never mind - your troubled childhood caused you to disregard a proper education. I weep for this country and your parents <ok>
     
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