If Pompey end up outside relegation the minus ten will come into play, if they don't it will start next season.
Good account Ian, but sympathy for PFC´s plight begins to wane when it is the 3rd time in recent years - pre Mandaric, 2010 and 2012 until now! Those with a longer memory remember SOS Pompey in the late 70s and going back to 1964 when they scrapped all their youth and reserve teams. It is the latest in a long saga. Even when the financial situation has been less dire, Pompey must have spent at least 30-35 years in the last half century in the lower half of whatever league they have been in. It just smacks of incredible mediocrity!!
PST haven't pulled out. If they do then that means liquidation. There is no other bid and Coontrai cannot pass the FAPPT according the FL.
I don't forget. But it doesn't influence my opinion on whats going on down the road and I would feel the same way about the Pompey situation if they were a team based in Lancashire. I had sympathy for the "generic pompey fan", but the more I hear from the PST, the more they seem utterly deluded and possibly dangerous. Because, if a "Fans trust" ends up doing the dirty on its own fans (which I feel the PST will considering is reliance on Rich benefactors) then that will be the biggest crime yet in football and far worse than anything that's gone before.
i´m thinking that the aim of the PST is to acquire Fratton Park, liquidate the present club so as to be rid of the debt, and start again at the bottom of the footballing pyramid. Glasgow Rangers managed it without losing Ibrox so perhaps the trust can once it has got its hands on said land!
**** no is the aim to get the club and liquidate it. If it comes to it, we are ready to start in non league, but plan A is to take the current club forward, one thing at a time, slowly but surely.
It's a shame for any football fan, but it's about the club not the supporters. I agree with CBK's reference to Luton and Bournemouth in particular. Was it 27 points for Luton? Too many crooks, spoil the broth. I will happily call a pompey pheonix club my "rival" team whether non league or not. I would feel sorry for the fans, however they have a choice to deal with any punishments handed out to their club, in anyway they choose. I look forward to seeing how many of them turn up to watch any new club. How many great fans are turning up at the moment? When Saints were potentially going, how many of us put thought to what we would do? Would we have supported a pheonix club? It would have been a choice.
Don't believe it for a minute, but we've wecomed Nicola and he is splashing the cash to achieve 'the dream' and we don't know for sure that it is all above board. The point I am making is that fans want to believe the best.
All I KNOW is that I really feel sorry for the Genuine Pompey fans . I have no time at all for the hatred spouted by some ( From both sides ) and that I hope their sake that the PST take over happens !
I do feel bad for the Portsmouth fans... but I also feel bad for the taxpayers and the people who were owed money. I think the "this only punishes the fans" argument is bogus whenever it is applied. There is no direct punishment to the fans-- they are not being fined or sent to jail or barred from football matches. They can go happily on with their lives supporting whatever existing football club they wish whether it is a Phoenix club or some other team. Or stop following football altogether. The punishment is to the club, which is proper. Any sort of punishment to the club punishes the fans in direct relation to how much they care about the club. That's just the way it is. If you send a club's best player off, you're punishing the fans. There wouldn't be any punishments for anything at all if we worried about fans like that. It would be terrible for PFC to have to liquidate because the system couldn't get its act together. But I also wouldn't trust the PST. The fans obviously want it but they are desperate right now and not in the best position to judge. They are relying on some a few particularly rich benefactors and you want to make sure that those benefactors have the money in place and that the fans will stump up and everything is squared away, otherwise it'll just happen all over again. Probably the PST has their hearts in the right place, but they are desperate as well. When Saints were in trouble there were those on the board I felt were really trying very hard to do their best for the club, but it didn't stop that board from being lousy owners. It's all about money now-- who has it and who doesn't. And that is in reality a better "fit and proper" test for an owner than whatever the FA drummed up. I think its odd what supporters consider to be "the club." Rangers were technically liquidated and started again but to most Rangers fans, that is still "Rangers." If the PST could get the grounds and the trophies, history, name and whatever other cultural artifacts, is that not "Portsmouth Football Club," even if the legal entity is terminated and a new one started in non-league. It's just like a super-relegation. Or maybe like if the club didn't play for a season due to war, natural disaster, some sort of punishment or whatever. It would still be the same club to me. But I don't know. I'm certainly not going to try and tell Pompey fans what they are supposed to think about their own club. Just something that I wonder about.
Pompey will get 10 points deducted when they come out of administration? Thats different to what happened to us isn't it? Thought we had the points deduction when we went into administration and it was carried over because we missed a deadline. I hope for Pompeys sake they don't get the 10 points taken off next season as it looks quite likely they will get relegated this season anyway. Starting on -10 next season would see another relegation fight. So potentially by the start of the 2014 season they could in theory be in the Conference anyway. If they were to become a Phoenix Club I would guess they would probably start in the Southern Premier league with the likes of Totton. If they managed to get back to back promotions they could be in the conference in 2 years. Surely this would be better, potentially ending uop in the same league in a bout the same amount of time but one as the current club with all the debts still hanging around their neck or as a new club debt free. Its a gamble either way I guess but maybe starting again and winning some matches would be good for Portsmouth?
Yeah, it's funny. They started the season in administration so should have taken a ten point deduction but they got a break from the football league. Their supporters seemed to be all happy about it at the time. Now it looks like its going to come back and bite them as they look like they will be relegated anyway and now will start in League Two with a ten point deduction. Although I suppose Pompey fans will take being able to start in League Two at all as a major victory at this point.
