in this January window. Never gave the lad a chance and to be honest I think he was another Tuncay. Wanted Huth but had to take them as a package as he wanted Crouch but had to take Palacios. Paid 6 million and looking to get 2.5 million back. Terminated Arismendi's contract at a cost of 2.6 million for a player that played 5 games! Is Tony Pulis Peter Coates's money launderer? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...an-Shawcross-signs-new-long-term-contact.html Pulis and chairman Peter Coates are prepared to accept a significant loss on Palacios in a bid to boost their recruitment plans in January. The Honduras international midfielder has been made available and there is interest from an unknown club in Mexico, with Stoke believed to be seeking about £2.5 million. Palacios, 28, was signed from Tottenham Hotspur in August 2011 in a joint deal with Peter Crouch but his spell in Staffordshire has been blighted by injury problems and loss of form. He has not appeared since the Premier League game at West Ham in November. Pulis is under instructions to sell fringe players before he can buy and the club are keen to get Palacios off the wage bill. Danny Higginbotham and Diego Arismendi have recently left the Britannia Stadium, while Michael Tonge is set to complete a permanent move to Leeds United. Shawcross has agreed terms on a 5½-year deal to ease Stokeâs fears of rival clubs making bids this month. Manchester City and Tottenham had been closely watching the situation, while Shawcrossâs former club Manchester United were considering a move in the summer. Negotiations between the defenderâs representatives and Stoke have been extensive and complicated and while Shawcrossâs desire to sign was never in doubt, it is understood he was seeking guarantees about the clubâs future direction before agreeing such a long-term deal.
We must have lost millions since becoming a prem side in poor transfer dealings! Sometimes wonder if Pulis has a say in the signings or the losses are to offset bet365's huge profits!
I half expected Palacios to go. Pulis could have given him more of a chance, but the few times he has played he never really shone. I'm surprised about Arismendi though, he looked a decent prospect on his few outings. Does anyone know owt about that Florent Cuvelliar (sp?) I know he's been out on loan, never seen him play for us or anyone else though. He's probably next for the chop. Great news about Shawcross though.
The odd run here or there isnt good enough to keep a player match fit and sharp and more improtantly if you want to sell a player you have to play him to keep him in the shop window. I do agree that I find it hard to believe that only 1 individual can be held responsible for the severity of these poor and basic errors.
Can't say I'm that surprised about Palacios.. Just a shame we did'nt or won't see the best of him. HOW many more false dawns does TP hold in store? Owen? NOT that we've seen him for longer than it takes him to "warm up" GOOD LUCK Wilson P, hope you find a Manager/club who knows how and where/when to play you.
Just reading throo the messages about players TP has got rid of or is trying to in the shape of Palacios.......... over the last few yrs we have had 1 or 2 players who either aint fitted in or cut it ... Lets have a look ! Tuncay ... well after stoke got rid of him he went for 4 mill to a short stay overseas .. turned up at bolton couldnt get a shirt ! thats a tick for TP the fact he kicked chelseas shower alarm off smokin his 40 a day ***s may of swayed it lol Gudjohnsen ... apparently this fella was mustard .. tp never gave him a go again etc.. got rid went to Fulham got rid another tick i think for TP .. Arismendi.. If the fella aint cutting it after how many years we have had him then surely something is wrong .. his best outing for us was prob Valencia away .. no loan clubs wanted to keep him ? another tick for TP i presume .. Palacios.. i personally have spoke to the physio staff at stoke and this fella has been a country mile from fitness all along and will not improve it !! he must go which is a shame but but a fact ! lets see where he goes and then react .. jury out on this one ? Florent Cuvelliar is a decent prospect still on loan and we can only wait and see on this one ....... Michael Owen ... im not even bothering on this one yet !! All clubs in progression have failings .. count how many we have signed and the few we have mentioned .. no compere !! I really dont see the short sightedness cuz the facts do speak for themselves ... TP is no mug .. we all make fuk ups and the best thing he does is hes not scared to get rid and seemingly take it on the chin ! remember a few of these are recommendations and dont cost the club as much as u think ! Thats the prem player merry go round surely !!! but look at the cost , the package and where these signings came from ? Its just a thought fellas ?? To me after a pause and think about it ........ he aint doin that bad is he ????????
PP whilst I agree with the most of this, the question still remains, why did we buy them in the first place and for the million pound price tags that we paid??? Which leads me to the other question, does TP get involved in these signings or are they players that we have to take in order to secure other deals?
exactly waddo that cud be the million dollar question lolol we just dont know on the other hand if we sell shawx and bego there is easily 25 mill plus profit ! depends where you sit matey
we would also have to replace these guys but i think the club is prob evolving faster than we know it !
There's really no denying that TP has done well Potter P.. But given the money we've actually (lost) over the last 5 years I can come to only one conclusion which is.. T.P. see's a player and say's to Mr Coates can we sign him? Surly it's up to (the coates family as a group who decide this)??? All credit to them for shelling out gawd knows how much in total over the last five years! So, Has Mr Coates got so much money he can (afford to a point) to write it off because it seem's to me, that is exactly what's happening. As far as I know we as a (club) are more than solvent, much more finacially stable than most Premier league clubs re no debts that I know of? I'm unsure what to think with regards to player's like Kitson , Tuncay, Arsismendi, And Palacios.. strange situation IMO anyway.
Potter P Is that the same question I have asked above? Something is happening at SCFC and as I said, one thing Mr Coates isn't that's stupid with money... I just wonder IF you are right Potter P. If you are I would love to know what goes on at the Board meetings. Also, see what Ryan said to (me) personally just after the Liverpool game. Every word is true and I'm certain that Ryan will not leave for at least 2 years. Is he ready for a team like Utd just yet? I don't think so personally. And ( I do know) that Sir Alex has first refusal on his signature, IF and WHEN either Ryan say's I want a move, which he does'nt yet, or Sir Alex comes a knocking at Tony's door.
We can all see that some signings come as a double act and thats prob cuz as a growing club striving to achieve above our level and big money signings that we NEED to take the double act but i think the bigger picture shows as at the mo it is working and we do have something to show for it in terms of status ....... cudos and plenty more but as time passes we will not need a double act signing just simple top players wanting to come to stoke city and they will no doubt we are fast becoming a top top club worthy of playing for !!!!!!!! No bullshit req for top signings anymore ... we are playing ball congrats mr TP and mr PC
Well said Potter,you can add others to that list,Lawrence,Kitson,Beattie,Pugh,Akinbayi,Olifinjana(whatever happened to him?) Abdy,the other Faye and Eustace( who I really liked) but to be honest noneof them have done much good since they left us. Clint Hill still gets his place in the Prem but for how long,he was woeful against Liverpool. y the way ,what`s the situation with Edu and the other lad who came from Rangers?
One thing we forget when judging all these players years after Stoke, is that there has been a combination of 6-12 months on the bench (not playing regular high level games) and they are often older (heading towards the end of the careers) when they leave the club. There are 2 questions that have to be asked before one can argue whether the Manager was right to lose millions of punds in transfer and waste millions in wages whilst they were on Stoke's books? 1. Was the player a sucess before they came to Stoke? Kitson, Beattie, Palcious, Tuncay, Gudjohnsen etc... I would suggest a big YES. 2. If they werent good enough for Stoke and had no resale value, then why waste the money? Those are the answers a "Manager" has to be able to answer and justify - thats their Job - isnt it? The players (notice the mutiple its no like its one or two, I think TP has potentially had problems with a full team or even squad (numbers wise) since our promotion to the prem) are irrelevant, its a Managers job to manage, motivate and develope, not undevelope, unmotivate. I still recall (vividly) TP shaking his head when Tunny scored that wonder goal and the Brit was rocking to the chorus of his name.........says it all for me. I just dont see how can you defend the manager on countless issues with player (both on and off the pitch) and continuely come to the conclusion that they all entered "Space Jam" and had their talent stolen.....hang on maybe thats it?
