I know there are other threads talking about Warnock at the moment but I just feel as though its time to replace him. He is the most clueless manager I have ever seen. I like stability but it needs to be stability under the right man rather than stability for the sake of it. I worked out that he has probably spent more money than Hull did in the summer and look how far apart the teams are, they had a new manager in that didn't get to know his players first as well. Reported amounts spent would be: Kenny - 500k Peltier - 750k Pearce - 500k Austin - 250k Norris - 400k Varney - 500k A total 'reported' amount of 2.9m. Thats ridiculous and thats not even including all the frees we got as well who are obviously taking wages and bearing in mind we have just signed Hall for a reported 200k. Our best players this season have been the likes of Becchio, Byram, Lees. I still rate McCormack as our best player and they are all players that were here before Warnock. We then proceed to play McCormack and Somma upfront together but instead of adjusting our game to suit these two ball playing strikers who struggle to head the ball we just keep lumping it long upfront. There was so much wrong with the Hull game that its hard to fit it in, there were the exact same problems against Forest and we completely changed the team. It is so clearly tactical issues. I really wish I understood why we played a whole new formation that we have never tried before against supposedly the best team in the league (as Warnock has said) neither Byram or White are clever enough or good enough to play those roles and it just put huge amounts of pressure on our centre backs. I could keep going on and on and list so many things that are wrong with the squad and the tactics at the moment. I feel as though Warnock needs to go and be replaced with someone who is far more up and coming and has the potential to play in the premier league. We can't pass the ball, we can't do anything with the ball And on a side note, does anyone still rate Kenny? I havn't seen anything at any point to make me feel as though he is a better keeper than what we have had in recent years
Josh, I don't know where to start with your post. TBH, I don't know if there's any point, as I could provide the most robust counter arguments ever, but being a confirmed Warnock-hater from day 1, you just wouldn't listen. Let's start with your 'reported' numbers. Lots of fees were 'reported'. You seem to have selected the highest ones you could find! Yet, typical of all deals involving Bates, a little research reveals that most, if not all, had 'undisclosed' fees. So I don't accept your numbers or reasoning. He also got rid of as many of Graysons crap players as he could, but got stuck with a few due to injury or people not wanting to touch them with a bargepole. He generated a lot of the signing cash by sales. I'm not going to discuss the Hull game, other than to quickly address your comments. The 'new' formation has been tried a couple of times that I can remember this season, but not for the full 90 mins in the matches concerned. Suffice to say, we were just as crap then as we were against Hull. I mentioned in another post potential reasons for this crappiness, and the manager was not the only contributing factor, imo. Hoofball - I'm quite sure the manager didn't say 'hump the ball up to the little guys'. Think you have to look to the players to find out why they did it (and most certainly not for the first time!). Agree with your comments on Shiite, but not on Byram. He was exposed in this formation, and his inexperience showed. Good going forward, but left with too much to do getting back. Credit also to Hull for taking full advantage of the gaps at the back too. Tactics - I covered this in another thread earlier in the day. What exactly do you mean? It's an easy criticism to roll off the tongue, but be more specific. Potential for Premier League - aren't you getting a bit ahead of yourself? Getting out of the Championship is very hard. Bringing in someone with 'Premier' potential might be an option when we get there, but bringing him in this early might be the very reason why we don't get there, if you see what I mean. Warnock was brought in for a reason, and there's no-one more qualified than him for the job in hand. Just needs some cash to get in better players (btw, you might laugh, but I suggested earlier that a substitute for Warnock might be Billy Davies, a little bastard I hate more than you hate Warnock! He does have excellent credentials, I hate to say.). As for Kenny - the lad is class. Who on earth have we had recently that comes close? Some have had their moments, even had good runs, but have had their hwlers too, and some really inconsistent runs. Kenny has been Mr Consistent for years now. He's saved us getting even more embarrassed on quite a number of occasions too. Can you name a bad game he's had? Are you just having a go because he's a 'son of Warnock'?
Everyone knows Warnock's a quick fix, and won't sign players to keep us in the top flight, just to get us there. I think he cares more about his promotion record than the long-term future of Leeds United, as much as he portrays himself as the people's manager. Give him January, let him show his stuff until the end of the season, but if we don't start to develop a forward-thinking playing style, and philosophy as a club (which starts with the manager), then he'll be remembered as one of the most disappointing Leeds managers of all time. If he got sacked, I certainly wouldn't think it was as bad as the Forest one replacing O'Driscoll for McLeish, because that was a short-term decision, replacing a Grayson figure with a Warnock one, which in my opinion is always the wrong decision. If we got someone like Martinez, Di Matteo or one of the Scandinavian highflyers in and booted Warnock out the door, I'd praise GFH's ambition.
I genuinely would listen, wherever he has done well its been because he has a very good backroom staff and I was saying this before he joined leeds. If grayson had been putting these performances in then we would be calling for his head but for some reason the fans put so much faith in Warnock. I don't understand what he provides, he's a quick fix that just isn't working. We need to be looking at the longer term future of the club, even if by some miraculous way we did get promoted it'd require a complete overhaul again for us to be able to even compete in the PL I didn't just go research them now though. They were genuinely what I believed them to be, even if it was less than that by around 100k a player we have still spent well over 2m on transfer fees alone and not including wages whatsoever. We have actually spent a reasonable amount of money especially when comparing ourselves to the likes of Hull who apart from that German giant have spent relatively little. I'll give you he got rid of some of 'Grayson's crap' but would you seriously prefer to have Norris and Varney over Clayton for example? Wasn't the 'new' formation only tried against Watford? maybe someone else but I don't remember it. And to address my comments on Byram, when I said he isn't clever enough or good enough to play that role I meant it because he didn't understand where he needed to be, green was covering him far too much and he woulda been able to get away with it if he was good enough but its way too much for a player of his experience. I said before the game that I thought he shoulda been rested for this one. When I say tactics. I don't just mean the Hull game. But to cover a few things, to play this formation against a team that are so good going forward is wrong, if the formation is played properly its quite an attacking formation which away from home as well I don't think its too clever, not only this he didn't realise it wasn't working in the first half and change it at half time. He also puts way too much pressure on Byram, he needs to be left out for a couple games, played for a couple games. I have noticed him making some stupid mistakes recently, at forest as well and its making him look bad. He needs to keep confidence and its not the correct way to bring players through. His substitutions are probably the worst I have ever seen, against Forest was terrible. He made them so late that it was pointless and again against Hull he brought on Varney for Somma (Varney is ****) and then brought on Austin who is a defensive covering midfielder for Norris who is a box-to-box player when we were losing 2-0. I grant you Norris was playing poorly but its still a negative substitution. I seriously could go on for hours about how tactically poor Warnock actually is See I find Kenny as a player that looks good but when you look back it wasn't actually that good. The first goal agaisnt Hull he shoulda saved and the second goal he saved a shot that was going about 3 foot wide which they ended up scoring from the resultant corner. He doesn't seem to know where the goal is behind him and I find he often saves shots that are going well wide when he could just leave them. The penalty that Billy Sharp scored, I coulda told you which way Kenny was going, he'd dived so early it was ridiculous. I'm not saying he is a terrible goalkeeper but because he is short he often parries when he can catch the ball but because he can't get his whole body behind the ball its not an option. Oh believe me I havn't Yes, this is what I would be looking for though. I always have said that sacking Grayson was the right move however I would've kept him had I known that we were going for a quick fix. I prefer the forward-thinking style that your talking of. Personally if we could bring in Di Matteo that would be fantastic (I doubt he'd wanna take a step down though) but someone who is young and eager to be successful at the next level.
As a bored Hull fan visiting this board I agree with this. He shouldve saved the first goal - he didnt actually extend his arms - and for the second we never shouldve had a corner. That is all.
While half of me agree's the other half fears what ageing players we might sign, how much budget will be blown and would a new manager be forced to sell before he could strengthen.
