The way finances are now, back then there was not the CL for Fergie to lose out on, what if the CL was about then, all that money the top teams would have gotten and it might even be that they would not have ended up with a lot of players they had cos they would have wanted CL footy ect. This is the way it is now, you jut cannot throw out the fergie took 7 years when the league and football in general was totally different. If united had 7 years of watching Liverpool or Arsenal raking in millions and attracting players with the CL as it is now, then they may not have risen at all. Not a pop at Fergie or United but Fergie could have left United under those conditions, who knows but I will say this.. you just cannot compare as simply as that. And if you are ok with waiting 7 years fair play. All I want is good football, win OR lose, I was pretty upbeat after losing to UNited ref apart.. the quality of our football is what matters TODAY to me not what Fergie did nearly two decades ago
Not bringing him back to replace Kenny certainly was though; something I kept repeating! He was the best man to get the best out of the squad Kenny left. We have to give Rodgers time however.... but I always feel a little uncertain when managers keep adding players they have worked with previously. Supposedly linked with Di Santo (could be bollocks), if true though it tells me Rodgers does not have the respect of the dressing room or he really is limited in his ability to spot players or mould players into his system. If any of these are true its pretty worrying to be honest!
In less than five years, we've gone from perennial CL qualifiers to mid-tier blandness. So am not surprised that there are a few 'like' me on here......but unlike those few, I have a pretty good feel for what damage it is doing us in the very long term.....Unfortunately, in todays game, we do not have the luxury of patience....we are hemorrhaging new generations of global fans....and the revenue it brings. Rodgers is unproven, he also is looking pretty naive and out of his depth.....I'd love to say, hell, Yeah; he's a smart guy, let him settle in ala Fergie, give him seven years to figure out what it takes..........but we can't, can we......so I say, give him this year and no more. If it works out, I'll eat humble pie; if it doesn't then get shot and hope the chavs bring in someone else and let Rafa go......time is of the essence....really is
We didn't but we are if BR gets sacked before he has a chance. Appointing the wrong managers is different from appointing managers failing to get the job done. I think Kenny didn't fail though. Last year looks great compared to this season. I wish City had made a nice offer for Agger. It is not that I think he's past it or on the down slope, it is just that his mistakes are u16s mistakes lately
Least you got my point Roy and Kenny was one thing but Rodgers would be crazy, least I can see reasoning behind the other two (not saying I agree or disagree here) but Brendan is their fresh young manager that is part of their long term plan. As for Agger, I've said it for a long, I'd have taken £20m for him purely because he is far too injury prone, the most games he has played for us in one season is 27 (twice). However, he has played eighteen games for us this season and we're only in December! I don't agree that he's been poor. Maybe it's fatigue since he's not used to it? I wouldn't say Johnson, Enrique or Skrtel have been bad either, quite the opposite actually, but as a unit they have been collectively poor!
I understand the sentiment but the point is that we are turning into Chelsea....the pre Abramovich Chelsea; you know, the ones that one the square root of **** all......I'm afraid that as we stand, we are heading there anyway....just don't expect me to sit and welcome it!
Those others have been present Skrtel ever present and are bound to have off times, Agger has been on the table for years and that is mostly why I would not cry at his departure. He's playing exceptionally poor and was truly awful v Stoke. LOng gone is the Agger that dominated Drogba after being made a mug of in the first leg
I think he's been told/taught to adjust his game and style to accommodate for his injury record. I also think he suffers from a lack of competition, it used to be Carragher and Hyypia with Agger fighting to get in, then it became Carragher plus one of Agger or Skrtel, what is it now? Who is challenging Agger and Skrtel? Coates is not good enough and Carragher is unfortunately past his best. Glen Johnson similarly suffered from a lack of competition for a year or too until Kelly, Flanno and now Wisdom came along. Same with England with Richards, Walker, Smalling and Jones. He has been excellent since.
David, the many threads of debate about BR on here alone among LFC fans would make your last post a generalisation and we know what they are usually a sign of..... Is BR good or bad? Half a season is not long enough. Chelsea? Chelsea get away with it because of the cash they have. If we continue to hire & fire managers for underperforming players we'll soon look more like Blackburn. It will give the message to the players loud & clear: we'll blame the manager for you playing ****e and you keep picking up your cheque for nothing. I've seen nothing so far to suggest that we are going backwards in 4 months. Maybe because i had a realistic idea of truly how far we had to go to be competitive. That waving magic wands at ex managers or seeing if they had one would not change a squad who have performed averagely for enough seasons in a row to be considered average? That without smart investment in the squad & time to build it nothing will change no matter who manages. But hey if I, a Liverpool fan am not worried about our progress. Why would you seem to always care David??? I'll give it ten minutes and the Swans will be back on to tell us all about the manager they don't rate or care about.....again.
Rodgers SHOULD be under pressure if Liverpool lose at QPR, but I'm not sure that he will, certainly from a decent portion of the Liverpool fanbase at least. The facts are, that to this point, his record as Liverpool manager exactly mirrors that of Hodgson (25 points from 19 games). However, Roy delivered that, on a negative net spend of £10M, Brenda has spent £30M more, with a positive net spend of £20M so far. Most Liverpool fans will come screaming back with "the football under Roy was **** & he signed Poulsen etc", which is true, but the facts are, that the more appealing 'style' of Rodgers side, has delivered exactly the same result, on a budget of £30M more. Rodgers has claimed the need for time, waffled about his system & then consistently pointed to the 'next' window (which he's done to the summer one already) as being the time when the team will come together. He's sold a dream to the Liverpool fanbase that he's simply not capable of delivering imo. If anyone can tell me how the home performance against Villa & the debacle at Stoke constitutes progress for LFC, then I'm all ears. Defeat at QPR should lead to deafening calls for his head on a stick, but I think the combination of his PR job & the fact that Liverpool fans don't want their club (rightly in fairness) to become, or be seen as a club that changes it's managers like Chelsea - will result in Rodgers being given to the end of the season at least. Rodgers isn't, never was & never will be, the saviour of LFC, he's a blarney spinning bullshitter, who's gob has landed a plum job way beyond his current capabilities.
I take your points on board and I can't really argue against them either. But, you seemed to forget to mention the lowering of the wage bill and player average age. Roy bought players that were supposed to be for the 'now' (then), he was planning for the future with all arrivals in their late twenties or early thirties! Rodgers is very much part of the FSG way of thinking, he is planning for the long term. We have a very young squad and the wage bill has been cut dramatically. You also forgot to mention how Hodgson was concerned about his friendship with Fergie and how he sent a group of mix fit players into a cup game and then condemned them for losing, amongst other things!
Tobes We played most weeks under Roy like we did v stoke. Also there were more of a squad Roy got, RAfa's one. BR has many new players and a new system yet the points are the same true and BR has had spent more. Roy had a better foundation, BR is pretty much building from scratch using the bits left over from Kenny's stewardship as I cannot describe it as anything else, never got a chance. The last straw for me was "I can't stop Torres going to Man United" because he actually could. if Moyes goes in the summer and the next new manager says I can't stop fellaini going to Liverpool as well as getting rubbish results how would you feel about that new manager? When you are not getting the results it is an idea to not piss off every fan of the club with stupid idiotic comments
Since when has planning for the long term meant a significant decline first? Rodgers must be a very good spinning bullsh***er to get the fans to accept this. Ok he doesn't deserve to get the sack but for the fans to repeat his angle on events as fact is interesting
Where's the decline? The last few months of Kenny's reign was relegation form! We've been **** for the last three seasons, this one is no different! Also, who is accepting it? You find me one Liverpool fan that is happy with the situation and I'll accept every word you say!
to put it another way, you don't keep adding to a damaged structure, you need to tear it down and start again, not build on and add to the weaknesses already there. If BR had taken over straight from Rafa I think we'd be in a different position, but between the time Rafa went and BR came in there has been significant erosion at the club in general, so many staff\players coming and going DEFINATELY has an effect on the pitch. Even I've been guilty of getting annoyed too early, at the start of the season I said expect nothing. BUT.. then we started playing some really nice football so expectation kind of went up. We're just going to have games like Stoke I guess, part and parcel of the big changes. BR has to learn on this job too, something we forget I guess, I did!
Don't know what happened there but sometimes these mancs need to read something twice before it sinks in
