What also has been shown is that Vettel looks to be made for a Newey designed car, the more he advances the car the bigger the gap vettel can put on Webber just after 1 run. I really really doubt Newey will leave Vettel's side through their career's and I think Newey want's that WDC record which schumi has at the moment and beat it with vettel driving every car.
I think admiration may have got the better of adhesion (to reality) there, mate. Newey's ambition is in WCC awards. I doubt he has any particular preference which drivers get them for him.
But when you look at all Schumi's records with all the cars he won the WDC were all by Rory Byrne, that's one record Newey doesn't have yet and did try with Mika.
Pissed off? Frustrated? What's new? nearly all drivers in a decent team feel fed up trying to get into a competitive situation. Hamilton is bound to think he'd be winning if he was with Red Bull. ditto Button, Rosberg, Alonso etc..... So sometimes they try to rock the complacency, if any exists, in their teams by allowing talk of moving teams to be aired. If Hamilton 'knew' he would never be WDC with McLaren in the next 3 years - he would jump ship to Red Bull quick as a flash. Alonso probably thinks if anyone can challenge its Ferrari. Webber is running a risk with rocking the boat - RB just mght go for Hamilton or Alonso.
I like the phrase, If it aint broke, why try to fix it? No way Red Bull are going to screw their own youth product vettel over by bringing in another top flight driver to stir things up, sorry this isn't going to happen. (((Just putting it out there in the open )))) I just got a feeling that the McLaren is more advanced in certain stages than the likes of Ferrari and Mercedes. But when the next batch of updates come I just see Ferrari and Mercedes leapfrog the McLarens.
I don't completely agree Genji. Although I think you are right about Newey's ambitions, I also think SilverArrow makes a good point. Back in late 2010, I heard on the grapevine that Vettel's and Newey's contracts were likely to become mutually linked at their imminent renewals. Then in February this year, I publicly suggested that this was very likely to be true - although I ask your forgiveness because I can't remember in which forum(s) I first said this, or in which thread! - For the time being at least, I am unable to give a link here. My belief is that their respective contracts are intertwined and that although Vettel seems to have first mooted the idea, Newey was only too happy to oblige. (I'm putting this mildly). Not unnaturally, Red Bull management were equally delighted that Newey would see this as mutually beneficial, since it keeps them both (and Newey in particular) away from Ferrari. I cannot quote sources and am not at liberty to offer any evidence. Therefore this statement should be taken as pure conjecture. However, I can offer this little morsel from the horse's mouth as it were: As quoted in Brazilian newspaper O Estado de S.Paulo: ' When asked if his extended stay is linked to Newey, Vettel answered: "Yes, before planning for the future I wanted to understand what will happen inside the team." (…?) - "And it's not just Adrian, but others that are also important to Red Bull," he added. '
I think, if Hamilton is fustrated in any way, its that Vettel could do a Schumi this year and dominate, if Mclaren don't keep bringing in massive updates, which is something he can't really control. In my opinion, If Vettel wins half of the races, which should bag the WDC, I think it would be like some of Schumacher's. Being in a car that dominates all season does not make you a great driver. I still agree Veytel is very quick in the RB, but I think it's just the car suited for him and he's joined them at the right time. That being said, if Hamilton was there instead of Webber, I think he as well would make thwe car work well, and they would be unstoppable. Vettel throws the RB around quite a lot, whereas Webber doesn't as much, and so Hamilton would be brilliant in that car cause he's very agressive. In regards to Button, I think he's doing a good job as he can. He's in a very difficult situation, with Lewis as a team mate, and as race driver's progress is always compared with that of their team mates, people judge him a bit too much and expect way too much from him
If that is the case then it's very disappointing. Dietrich Mateschitz is very clearly focused on Vettel and that support for him within the team must be significantly increased if Adrian Newey has tied his contract to Vettel's. That just about makes Webber the official number two, despite Christian Horner's protestations as late as Abu Dhabi 2010 to the contrary. But then, I suppose we've known that since Silverstone, if not Istanbul, last year.
Exactly! Webber has every reason to be unhappy at his castration. The whole team is built around designer and a chosen driver. Sound familiar?
I am already alarmed at the prospect of Vettel going out of sight in say 3 races time. There might be fun overtaking further back but the title looks sealed already. Damn!!!!!
If Newey had his contract mutually linked to Webber's he would've been on a one year rolling deal for the last three years. Newey wants assurances that he's going to have one of the best drivers at his disposal, who would you plump for, the youngest ever World Champion or a 34 year old with six race wins to his name?
But of course, we are talking of the future, not of the past. As you suggest AG, Webber was never a consideration for a relatively long-term interlinking of contracts. The Newey/Vettel contracts were not formally linked until March this year and are clearly the result of an evolution; a recognition mutual benefit. Such alliances do not happen overnight.
Well, quite, which is why I find it disappointing (I didn't mean I thought it was a disappointing situation for Newey, AG). But, as we've discussed elsewhere, it's down to the other teams to take the fight to Red Bull and not allow them to repeat 2000-2004 in 2010-2014.
Yep… Come on the rest of you; get up- there with 'em! Ferrari have the biggest budget but a lack of direction which I believe stems (at least in part) from drivers who are not working well together. McLaren also have a big budget, bettered only by Ferrari - albeit without a similar perennial gift from the net prize fund. But they have the strongest driver line-up by some margin which compensates against all but Red Bull who have the most important Joker in the pack: Adrian Newey. Mercedes are very close to McLaren in every sense except their driver line-up. Red Bull are sitting pretty with no effective challenge and their senior management are happily patting each other's backs as they party all the way to the bank with the biggest return on their relatively small investment.
Not just Adrian Newey, but a relatively happy Adrian Newey. For whatever ron - I mean, reason - he wasn't as happy at McLaren and never managed to get as clear of the chasing pack as he has at RBR and did at Williams. Still, he did deliver two WDCs and a WCC while fending off what went on to become the class act of the 2000s.
I was about to ask that I may be excused from becoming involved with a discussion of Ron Dennis. But I've already started… It would be all too easy to cite his shadow as the biggest reason for Martin Whitmarsh's need to play the political, corporate game that hampers an otherwise quick thinking purist. McLaren have carried (and continue to carry) this burden to every season and every race since he took a backward step into the shadows. My belief is that it forces the 'think twice' mentality which slows them down in all aspects of strategic and tactical thinking. As I say, I consider it something of a burden to the team, even if it was and ultimately, is Ron's through and through…
Does anyone buy the paper edition of Autosport? The BBC gossip and rumours web page has a quote from it regarding Webber's status, but it's a tad ambiguous: I wondered if that's as much as it says in Autosport or if there's any additional information?
Hmm two ways of interpreting that, either they want Webber to carry on pushing Vettel, or they want him to play second fiddle to Vettel but still beat Red Bull's rivals.
The Beeb just copied the first paragraph of the article. It says Marko is keen to get one of the products of the Young Driver programme into the second Red Bull, with Buemi being touted as the first in line. Mateschitz doesn't want to blood youngsters in the senior team though, and jeopardise their challenge for the constructors title and he's said to hold Webber in high regard. Webber goes on to say as long as he's still getting results and enjoying it he'll stay on for another year. They then talk Buemi up a bit, saying he's had an impressive start to the season and the team are very impressed with his level of technical feedback. I reckon Webber will stay on for another year and then Buemi or maybe Ricciardo will take his seat in 2013.
