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originallambrettaman said:
The money spent on the club so far is more of a gift than an investment, as they've paid far more for the club than it was worth.

They haven't lied about anything, thanks for your **** post. <ok>
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To quote Adam Pearson, the Allams buying the club "Made no business sense".

People MUST SURELY trust Adam Pearson after what he has done for this football Club. If he sits comfortably next to the Allams then so do I.
 
sagegee tiger said:
What other City in the North of England will have a sports Complex along the lines of what the Allams' are proposing??
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I'm not sure that any city has a development like this, with everything on one site.

Manchester has the commonwealth games legacy, which were bigger facilities, but I don't think that's all on one site(this obviously included gymnastics and cycling and other stuff that we wouldn't have).

There are only three cities in England that have Olympic size swimming pools, they're all in the north(Leeds, Sheffield and Sunderland).
 
I'm a resident of Leeds. Despite fans of TWS claiming its Yorkshire's top city, its lacking in quality sporting venues including squash and swimming (as well as a decent athletics stadium but thats something else), Leeds is far inferior than the likes of Sheffield and Manchester. I'd be very excited by the plans for Walton Street.

All the facilities including Sqaush and Swimming will bring more visitors and their hard earned cash to the City, Inward investment is difficult for any city to attract and will boost Anlaby Road area which is, as quoted earlier in the thread, a **** hole. Hull City Council should be grateful for the leg up the Allams are offering.

If I lived in Hull it would get my vote. Wish it was in Leeds!
 
I think the 'fail' is talking rubbish again. How can the Council have a referendum on such a relatively minor issue - they cost a hell of a lot of money to organise/run if done correctly and who would actually vote - we struggle to get people to vote in the elections, and that is something that affects everyone. If only 20,000 regularly go to see City, and fewer to Rugby (and these groups would be the main people interested) how many will actually bother. Asking opinions if one thing, but the Council/Councillors should be the ones to make the decision.

My other concern is who would actually use this venue on a day-to-day basis - I can't see all the West Hull villages residents coming in when there are gym's closer, and my gym in East Hull has recently reduced it's prices - presumeable as membership is falling.
 
leedstiger said:
I'm a resident of Leeds. Despite fans of TWS claiming its Yorkshire's top city, its lacking in quality sporting venues including squash and swimming (as well as a decent athletics stadium but thats something else), Leeds is far inferior than the likes of Sheffield and Manchester. I'd be very excited by the plans for Walton Street.

All the facilities including Sqaush and Swimming will bring more visitors and their hard earned cash to the City, Inward investment is difficult for any city to attract and will boost Anlaby Road area which is, as quoted earlier in the thread, a **** hole. Hull City Council should be grateful for the leg up the Allams are offering.

If I lived in Hull it would get my vote. Wish it was in Leeds!
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If the Allams' are allowed to go with their "dream" for Hull, we would be revisiting the days of rich philanthropists that has been missing from British culture for the last 50-100 years in Hull, and would be a legacy for their family, but more so, for this city, which has been severely under-funded by it wealthy inhabitants since before the Thatcher-era.
As Leedstiger says, it could bring phenomenal financial benefits to this city, and it's inhabitants (via jobs), that no political party has been able to do in many decades, and should be welcomed with open arms.
 
Siegfried's cat said:
I think the 'fail' is talking rubbish again. How can the Council have a referendum on such a relatively minor issue - they cost a hell of a lot of money to organise/run if done correctly and who would actually vote - we struggle to get people to vote in the elections, and that is something that affects everyone. If only 20,000 regularly go to see City, and fewer to Rugby (and these groups would be the main people interested) how many will actually bother. Asking opinions if one thing, but the Council/Councillors should be the ones to make the decision.

My other concern is who would actually use this venue on a day-to-day basis - I can't see all the West Hull villages residents coming in when there are gym's closer, and my gym in East Hull has recently reduced it's prices - presumeable as membership is falling.
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If the Allams' want it so bad, why could they not pay the costs for a referendum? £100,000 - £200,000 for it to be carried out correctly!
 
If this goes to a referendum the Allam's will lose, let's look at the people voting:

City fans - Likely to vote Yes.

Hull FC fans - Voting No because they don't want to be kicked out the stadium.

Hull KR fans - Voting No because they don't want Hull FC to have a bigger ground.

Walton St. NIMBYs - Voting No because of traffic concerns.

Preston Road Inhabitants - Voting No because they'll see £140m and think "sports village, nah, I'd rather it be spent on me".

Other residents of Hull - Not voting due to apathy.


So despite the overwhelming benefits of this, it'd probably be shot down by the population of Hull who constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to stuff like this, the only way to get it is for the council to grow a pair and make the decision themselves.
 
TONY_WARNERS_FACE said:
If this goes to a referendum the Allam's will lose, let's look at the people voting:

City fans - Likely to vote Yes.

Hull FC fans - Voting No because they don't want to be kicked out the stadium.

Hull KR fans - Voting No because they don't want Hull FC to have a bigger ground.

Walton St. NIMBYs - Voting No because of traffic concerns.

Preston Road Inhabitants - Voting No because they'll see £140m and think "sports village, nah, I'd rather it be spent on me".

Other residents of Hull - Not voting due to apathy.


So despite the overwhelming benefits of this, it'd probably be shot down by the population of Hull who constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to stuff like this, the only way to get it is for the council to grow a pair and make the decision themselves.
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Disseminate point-by-point;

City fans - agreed

FC fans - Deal would be done for them

KR fans - Don't give a **** for the Curly Turds ( and as a KR/sports fan I am in favour of it!) How many KR fans have you spoke to, to come up with this assumption?

Walton St., NIMBIES - If the traffic problem is sorted out it would not be a problem, because they would then be able to park near their homes on a match day and the access problems that piss them off would then be sorted

Preston Rd., - few would bother, because it does not come into their thoughts of how can I gain out of this

Others - Some people do think about the town/city they live in, and what the benifits of a higher profile in the local/national eyes it brings, also greater job prospects.

I think the new power in the Guildhall, are frightened of being tarred by the old "you voted us in to make the decisions for you" attitude, and are trying to make themselves more "touchy, feely", but I agree they need to grow a pair and go for it!
**** I must be ill!!!!
 
TONY_WARNERS_FACE said:
If this goes to a referendum the Allam's will lose, let's look at the people voting:

So despite the overwhelming benefits of this, it'd probably be shot down by the population of Hull who constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to stuff like this, the only way to get it is for the council to grow a pair and make the decision themselves.
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This is exactly what I don't get.

It's the council's job to make decisions - this is no different to the building of St. Stephens or another such project. Does anyone remember the referendum on the Travel Lodge on the corner of Ferensway? I don't -but somehow it's being built.

Putting something like this regarding a sports club will only be voted on according to personal interests.

Nothing to do with the benefits to the city.

That should be the ONLY thing this is decided on.

If the council don't want it - they should reject it, and deal with the fall out. Or if they have the slightest bit of foresight, they should see it for the opportunity it is. People don't come around offering multi-million pound investments every day.

If there is a genuine fear for the future of the stadium, then put some clauses into the terms of sale. Only sell it to the club, not the Allams, define how the land must be used.

Hell, the council control the planning applications. It's not like they're suddenly going to be powerless.

Any other city would be snapping the Allam's hands off.
 
My biggest fear for this referendum would be that all the stupid people (as TWF says) would come out to vote and think "Sport?! That hasn't got Noel Edmonds in it! Give me more deal or no deal instead of this!" Obviously most people on here would vote for it as we are all sensible sports people. But there are so many stupid people out there who think sport is a bit of a jolly that doesn't really matter.

I'd like to see a referendum as the idea makes sense. But only letting sensible people register to vote. In fact they should insist that you provide your not 606 user name and password and only members of this site can vote :)
 
i saw the premier league tigers said:
My biggest fear for this referendum would be that all the stupid people (as TWF says) would come out to vote and think "Sport?! That hasn't got Noel Edmonds in it! Give me more deal or no deal instead of this!" Obviously most people on here would vote for it as we are all sensible sports people. But there are so many stupid people out there who think sport is a bit of a jolly that doesn't really matter.

I'd like to see a referendum as the idea makes sense. But only letting sensible people register to vote. In fact they should insist that you provide your not 606 user name and password and only members of this site can vote :)
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I feel this way about a lot of people. In fact I think only sensible people should be allowed to breed.

However I keep my views to myself as it didn't do Hitler much good.
 
EastParkTiger said:
I feel this way about a lot of people. In fact I think only sensible people should be allowed to breed.

However I keep my views to myself as it didn't do Hitler much good.
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It's easy to be misunderstood, just ask Kim Jong Ill.

Tell me EastPark, is the splash boat still open? (I'm assuming that you don't actually live in East Park, but may be close enough to know if the giant water-bound skip is still in operation, I haven't been for years).
 
originallambrettaman said:
It's easy to be misunderstood, just ask Kim Jong Ill.

Tell me EastPark, is the splash boat still open? (I'm assuming that you don't actually live in East Park, but may be close enough to know if the giant water-bound skip is still in operation, I haven't been for years).
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Hasn't that thing been closed for 15 years?
 
i saw the premier league tigers said:
My biggest fear for this referendum would be that all the stupid people (as TWF says) would come out to vote and think "Sport?! That hasn't got Noel Edmonds in it! Give me more deal or no deal instead of this!" Obviously most people on here would vote for it as we are all sensible sports people. But there are so many stupid people out there who think sport is a bit of a jolly that doesn't really matter.

I'd like to see a referendum as the idea makes sense. But only letting sensible people register to vote. In fact they should insist that you provide your not 606 user name and password and only members of this site can vote :)
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Why bother having a council if they need to have a referendum on an issue like this? As for allowing stupid people to vote, they let them write on forums so where's the difference, everybody's entitled to an opinion, even if they are the most clueless people in the world.
 
TONY_WARNERS_FACE said:
If this goes to a referendum the Allam's will lose, let's look at the people voting:

City fans - Likely to vote Yes.

Hull FC fans - Voting No because they don't want to be kicked out the stadium.

Hull KR fans - Voting No because they don't want Hull FC to have a bigger ground.

Walton St. NIMBYs - Voting No because of traffic concerns.

Preston Road Inhabitants - Voting No because they'll see £140m and think "sports village, nah, I'd rather it be spent on me".

Other residents of Hull - Not voting due to apathy.


So despite the overwhelming benefits of this, it'd probably be shot down by the population of Hull who constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to stuff like this, the only way to get it is for the council to grow a pair and make the decision themselves.
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Must make a note of this, a TWF post I'm in agreement with. Although there could be a possibility Rovers fans would say yes as they'd enjoy the thought of FC playing in a quarter full stadium every home game apart from the Derby.
The fact is if there is a referendum it is unlikely to go ahead. 20,000 City fans a lot of who live out of the city and won't get a vote, nore who are not on the lectoral roll because of age. Won't take many of those with the typical Hull attitude of not wanting anything to chance,given Hull is probably the most insular parochial city there is, with most residents having the attitude of people living in an average sized town rather than a major city.
 
originallambrettaman said:
It's easy to be misunderstood, just ask Kim Jong Ill.

Tell me EastPark, is the splash boat still open? (I'm assuming that you don't actually live in East Park, but may be close enough to know if the giant water-bound skip is still in operation, I haven't been for years).
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Id be quite curious to know if that's still open myself, haven't been to east park in years
 
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