Easy only joking. Transfers etc are all hopeful and full of positive expectation. Reality is we will be in the prem next season, I suppose so many are out of contract sb can bring in a lot of good new players cos most of these wont cut it.
sorry chazz, i don't start many threads so got a bit precious haha! that's one thing bruce has over barmby and pearson, premier league experience and greater pulling power.
Elmo, Meyler, Koren and Rosey are good squad players if we go up, no doubt, I was saying that they are here for one reason or another and if you like it or not if any of them were seen by current Prem managers as Prem quality would we have them here now?? Meyler may well be recalled as Stockdale has, but it won't be to save Sunderlands season by playing every week will it? Yes Quinn has played there but not for a while. Tell me just what is Fryatt good at?? He is not good enough for the top end of the Championship never mind the Prem, look at Lambert and Holt these 2 are the type of striker that can make an impact up there. I am not knocking these players they have done brilliant for us, but we are kidding ourselves if we beleive that we can establish the club with more or less the same squad we have at the minute.
By that logic no-one in the Championship is good enough to play in the Premier League or else they'd be there by now. I think you know that's not right.
Ideally, 2x new centre backs, 1x left wing back, 1x ball winning midfielder and 1x striker I dont think Hobbs nor Bruce (junior) would cut it in the PL. Koren isnt getting any younger, and I think Faye will be on his way if we go up.
Thats bollocks I am not talking about championship players not being good enough because nobody can know if they are or not until they have a go. All I am saying is that out of the current squad the ex-Prem player/loan Prem players have at some point not cut the mustard otherwise why would they have been allowed to leave/come out on loan?? Just because a player has previously played in the Prem does not mean he is going to be good enough to play there again does it?? Obviously I hope some of our current squad will be good enough to play there who havn't previously done it and I do hope they get a chance to have a go.
Sorry to all the Fryatt fans out there but no way is he prem quality. Unless they've fully reconstructed him into the 6 million dollar man; he's never been picked up by a prem side before and I don't know why people think he would be ready to make the step up after a season off injured. Sounds harsh but I think after this achillies thing he'll come back at 27 1/2 years of age with his best playing days behind him.
Koren - Would be a good squad player at the minimum, he has done it before. Elmo - Just because MON didn't rate him doesn't mean he's not good enough, can you say after watching his crossing he won't be good enough? Aluko - He has class, his control and toucch are excellent, easily good enough. Chester - Class above, if we don't go up, he will. Hobbs - If it wasn't for his injury i think some PL clubs would of come calling. Stockdale - He was excellent for Fulham when Schwarzer was injured, just happens he is behind a class keeper. Brady - Fergie rates him highly, so no doubt has the potential, will eventually be PL class even if he's not currently. Quinn - Movement is excellent, its a possibility, but no guarantees. It is clear we would need to sign a lot of players, however teams who replace whole team don't succeed, teams who don't sign don't, you need to get it right with 7/8, not all starters but 7/8 who can improve your squad as a whole.
My thoughts if we made Prem (I am assuming we have clauses to buy loanees) Stockdale Elmo, Chester, NEW CB, Hobbs, Dudgeon New DM, Meyler Koren Aluko, New Forward Stockdale, Elmo, Chester, Hobbs are all premiership standard for my liking and work as a unit. I would want a seasoned top flight CB to run the defence. Dudgeon would be a gamble but he is fearless in tackle and has tons of pace, could be ok (as could Bradey as cover.) Rosey and Cooper would be okish cover Midfield is a problem for me, Meyler could be a quality player when fully fit and is premiership standard, we need another DM of premiership standard though. Evans and Cairney could be ok but not starters, so another CM would be needed. Koren or Quinn could be the link player. Forwards we would struggle, Aluko would do ok, fryatt as a poacher too, however would need a mobile strong player to out muscle and hold play up for us, plus another as back up (Campbell???) Meaning we need to buy: Stockdale (£750K?) New CB, poss 2 Meyler (£2mil?) DM x2 FD x2 Unless we got decent loans we would need to shell out around £10mil minimun
I can't believe we are having this thread............... getting far too far ahead of ourselves. And just for the record you never know who will cope in the Prem, look at our ex-players who are doing well. Can I also mention the name Ian Ashbee?
nowt like slagging a thread off then commenting on it haha! it's not about detailed transfer dealings and specific plans, just speculation on which hull city players the hull city fans think would potentially be good enough. jeez, i'm NEVER creating another thread again unless it's purely factually based with concrete and realistic discussion topics!!
nailed on first team. . Hobbs , Chester and Aluko , squad members Koren , Rosenior ,Dudgeon , Quinn , McShane , Faye and with a bit of poetic licence also in the first team Meyler , Elmo & Stockdale. as ive said before , im not interested in the club chasing premier league longevity , especially at the cost of other things , id rather the prem money went into youth development followed by relegation. Survival in the "premier" league isnt important to me , id much rather the club respect the fans , manager players etc i would advocate the promotion squad mostly filling the premiership roster with just a few natural changes.
It's not just about our players, but the difference in ability between the lower reaches of the EPL and the top of our league. For the last couple of seasons promoted clubs have done pretty well, so have they all replaced their squads after promotion or have they mainly used their Championship players showing the gulf isn't that great? I reckon the bulk of our squad would surprise a few people in the Prem (and probably on this board) and another factor is that the enthusiasm of a newly promoted team is a distinct advantage and no manager would want to extinguish that by casting off most of the existing squad. Under SB we have a younger squad than Brown had and they should be more able to adapt. Look at Tom Cairney for example. He looked a bit special in the Prem, but he's been average in this league and I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few of our current players could play even better under EPL conditions.
