Evidently Brady was later saying that if they decided it was possible to sell then it would be put to a public vote. I reckon City could have a new stadium built before the council find a backbone to make a decision for themselves. Either way Papa Allam will not talk to the idiots in the council having found a more favourable reception from the East Riding Council.
Whilst the answer is no doubt money-related, I’m not 100% clear on the reason why it is so important for the Allams to secure the freehold on the stadium and surrounding area. I know they want to create a sports village for the local community, which would inevitably come with some associated commercial development to help fund the scheme / make it profitable for them. But what’s to stop them from doing this without the freehold? The terms of the lease must permit the leaseholder to extend the ground and redevelop the surrounding area, as this is exactly what Adam Pearson tried to do when he was in charge of the SMC (remember the planning application he submitted to increase the capacity to 35k and build a hotel, casino and various other retail / leisure facilities?). My understanding is that the SMC was granted a 50 year lease when the stadium opened. Would the freehold value of an extended KC / redeveloped surrounding area really be that much greater than the leasehold value (with c. 40 years remaining)? Surely the leasehold arrangement would only start to nose dive in value when it was nearing its expiry. In the medium term, surely the Allams could deliver a scheme which not only stacked up for them financially, but which also allowed The Circle to remain in the ownership of the local community. Or is this more about Assem and Ehab seeking to establish a financial legacy for the Allam family in the longer term?
When are the council going to publish their alternative vision for developing the stadium, whats that they haven't got one!
Think the Allams are correct in their assumptions, on this one ! This backward looking Council wants every council tax payer to be subservient and not question ANY of their decisions ! Of course the Allams, rightly, are looking to protect their investment £60 million and rising ! Who in their right mind wouldn't want to protect that ? If, and when anything happens to Pappa Allem, who,s to say Allam Jnr will want to carryb the torch? Remember when Harold Needler owned the club! His son had no interest after the demise of his father and sold the club on. It wasn't 'til after years of nearly going out of business that Adam Pearson came on the scene and worked some magic ! I say to the Allam family--good on yeh! Call the bluff on this inept council and if necessary, MOVE ! If it were to Melton, surely the rail link could be put to good- use like the link we used to have to Boothferry Park ! ! UTT
I heard a bit of the Brady interview and it seemed to me that the council stance has softened a tad. The will of the people will be taken into account, blah blah blah. By that he probably means Hull folk on the electoral register. Which means huge swathes of the population - not interested in the slightest in sport - having a major role in any referendum. There was no referendum to decide if the stadium was to be built (and it was a talking point at the time) so why insist on one to sell the stadium ? God, how I hate petty local politicians....
It does not matter where the stadium is. Southampton is near the town centre and Reading out of town, packed out for PL games. The council has to learn that when the club was desperate, the KC was an asset. Now it has money its a liability.
As usual he is incorrect. Although what he actually said was that City had never had a 25,000 crowd. If Burnsy was any good he would have pointed out that all home seats were sold out and there was often thousands more who applied and didn't get tickets. No mention that the highest crowd for the massive derby was less than City's average when we were in PL. Why should City be held back because of these rugby league obsessed clowns?
Excellent point that about whether there was an referendum to decide how the KC windfall would be used. Shame the local journos didn't think to put it forward!
If the Allams move us out of the KC, it will be demolished within 2 years and the freehold sold. They just dont like the idea of anyone making on a deal without some of it coming their way.
I agree with this. I would prefer it to be where it currently is, but a stadium is what the fans and the stadium owners make it. So long as transport is made available in terms of volume, frequency, price and accessibility there's no issue.
Has anyone an idea how much the Council get from Hull Fair? All of the fair goers money ends up out of town to the travellers who presumably don't pay tax on it.so there is no benefit to the traders of Hull. The Council are the only ones who benefit in the ground rents charged.
The main problem with an extended KC or surrounding area is the access. A|t the moment getting to and fro is not too bad as a great number of supporters are walk to games. Increase the size or develop on the site puts real pressure on access and parking. When planning the KC the council should have bourne this in mind. I bet the first concept vision of the planned KC had all sorts of link roads etc. to give swift access. KC and St Stephens within a mile of each other ... two new builds with appalling communications. Bear this in mind when developing Melton and dont forget the railway station.It worked in the past!
Forgetting the issue of not wanting to fund the extension of property they don't own, there's the additional issue that HCC won't entertain moving the fair, so he can't have the rest of the site to extend into anyway.
For all the good work he has done its things like this that make me worry. Such statements really are ill conceived, don't demonstrate good character and suggest its all ego driven. And what about all the rhetoric about helping shape a brighter future for disadvantaged young people? Yeah building a stadium in the middle of nowhere is really going to impact on their lives whilst creating an environment of excellence...
You are right there, I work away so not worth me getting a season ticket and I couldn't get a ticket for love nor money when we in Prem.
Geraghty back in the Labour fray (after being an Independent Lab for many years after falling out with the likes of Pat Doyle) is a disaster waiting to happen for this city.. He is just a mischief maker who revels in confrontation and is a Dull FC eggchaser to boot (forgive the pun). Someone needs to get hold of that loose cannon sharpish. Pappa Allam is equally stubborn and a PR disaster also. Didn't hear the interview with Burnsie but if TG said we failed to sell out when we were in the PL, the guy's either totally lost the plot or more likely a **** stirrer par excellence. As other have said we need stability. After the PL turmoil, we don't need to move to an out of town site such as Melton. Who would fund it anyway - the Allams at a cost in todays money with infrastructure of what £100m - surely Pappa is not that stupid? Also, the Club are supporting the safe standing issue aren't - won't this increase capacity at little or no cost? PS Parnaby is a City Supporter and whilst he has guardedly supported the Club gaining planning in the East Riding for a new stadium, as a Council they have fook all money and would not be putting money up into the pot the way the City Council did from the KC part sell off.
Do Hull city pay any percentage of ticket sales etc to the council? or any rent?? Obviously being hamstrung by not being able to expand the stadium, build hotel casinos to increase revenue. Doesnt anybody else think we just may end up at an upgraded Craven Park? Havnt they just started building a new stand, with extra facilities? i know it aint the best stadium in the world lol but loads of space for expansion, loads of land behind the east stand which used to be my old school, and plenty behind the south stand.
I don't think moving to a new stadium outside Hull is an indication that he wasn't sincere about wanting to help the young disadvantaged of Hull. It is simply that that dream has been completely buttfcuked by our intransigent council, so he has had to abandon it.
