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Discussion in 'Watford' started by Leo, May 7, 2011.

  1. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> <applause> nice one!
     
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  2. Hornette_TID

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    You're going to have to stop being funny then...coz this made me giggle too! lol
     
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  3. zen guerrilla

    zen guerrilla Well-Known Member

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    AB is without question a good manager he got us to the Premiership, that he has failed to spark since though is not a surprise after we were rumbled and he has no plan B

    BR is without question a good manager he got us playing prettier football and Swansea to the play-offs.

    MM is our manager, in his first job and he is doing well with severely limited resources.

    I was not happy with the way that either AB or BR left but that is that; and BR will always be Judas.

    In Malky I trust.
     
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  4. aberdeenhornet

    aberdeenhornet Well-Known Member

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    Malky is way better than Judas, he's shown a faster learning ability and managed to get the extra out of limited squad resources. He hasn't come to terms with motivating a fatigued squad and its questionable whether anybody could. This season we've been let down by our lack of depth in the squad and we'll see if that gets resolved across the summer. Its clear to me danny needs to go for the money and lloyd needs to be used more in role and more sparingly, heresy I know but I think we need something more back there. I was glad to see Jay go as it was the right move for the club as he was poor at motivating on the pitch last year, we need to do some serious work with Scott, get a LB or two and that will mean malky will have the tools next year for the first year when we can really judge if he's going to make it to the big league, I for one think he will. As for BR and the swans I believe they'll be well sussed by Reading.
     
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  5. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

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    Rodgers's style suits the way Swansea play but we moan about our form since Christmas and in reality like Forest the Swans have been a bit hit and miss...mainly away from home.

    I think one of Reading or Swansea will win..the other 2 seem to be bottlers.

    Our final position is disappointing in a sense but our run in was quite hard and I am sure most would have taken a season low of 14th back in August..

    Would the feeling going into next season be different had we'd been at the bottom all season and then scrapped a few points late on like Boro to push right up the table?

    Anyway it all depends what happens in the summer as to what ambition Malky and the players can aim for..its all a bit uncertain.

    I would say Malky maybe saying we need 52 points etc meant some players took their foot off the pedal a bit in terms of work-rate and playing ability....
     
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  6. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

    hornethologist a.k.a. theo Well-Known Member

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    I've been very impressed by everything Malky's done and the honest, dignified way he conducts himself. That said, the second season in charge is often more difficult than the first.
     
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  7. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    i for one am not sorry he left, he paved the way for what we have now. there is some poetry in the fact that he had to go to Wales to find people who liked him. I am 100% behind Malky and SD and strongly believe that they can bring great things to our beloved club.
     
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  8. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Er - what's wrong with Wales? Leo may be scratching his head right now:biggrin:
     
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  9. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    I simply ment that he isolated everyone at Chelski, then isolated everyone in Hertfordshire, and then everyone in Berkshire. He is rapidly running out of places to hide.
     
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  10. andytoprankin

    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    MM over Judas every day of the week. Mackay has shown us he does have integrity.
     
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  11. andytoprankin

    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    And it wasn't the fact that he left us, it was how he left us.
     
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  12. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    Well we are all agreed BR is Judas and has no integrity but I am yet to be convinced he is not a better manager than Malky. Don't rush to attack me - I would not get rid of Malky - I think he has done a good job in difficult circumstances and he is learning all the time and I hope next year he will give us a true Play off chase.

    I just happen to rate Rodgers. I think he will go on to be a top Premiership manager - he has some of those characteristics that you associate with winners - not least he hates to lose and does not do the thing that Aidy used to annoy me with by always coming up with daft excuses and blaming everything but his own ability. Also he is quite willing not to be liked - who likes Sir Alex, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger? He goes for what is good for HIM - and if a club benefits so much the better. I think the speed with which he turned round our style of football was remarkable and he got the only set of good results in the second half of a season we have had in about 5 years. I think he would have continued to work with the players we had and would have made a great success of them. I don't think he would have liked the lack of money but would have been able to cope with it. Finally all those who no doubt his ability were not saying that when they moaned about him leaving us - everyone then thought he was great. Reading may well rue the day they let him go - without a real chance to settle in.

    Are Swansea's players so much better than ours?

    No - for me the only bad thing about Rodgers is the way he treated us - and I am not surprised people cannot forgive and forget that - but surely it is possible to distinguish between that and your opinion of him as a manager.
     
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  13. North North Watford

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    Were it not for the finish to the season, I'd be certain that this would happen. The points and final table position does not tell the story of our season, and while that's disappointing, as far as the manager is concerned I'm absolutely delighted about that.

    Now I think he needs one more season to show that he is a strong long term pair of hands. He will then have the option of managing us for a fourth season with the belief that he has built a playoff side, or going to a bigger Championship club with the belief that he can build a side quickly.
     
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  14. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    Leo I disagree, BR has no plan B take away his mobile ,so he cant ring his mate Jose,and he would be stuffed , did you know he was best mates with the special one<laugh>
    I dont think BR has the motivating skills and am unconvinced about him tactically
     
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  15. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    The only positve about BR was he seems to be the only one to get priskin to play well! shame he diddnt teach him the offside rule though!
     
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  16. North North Watford

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    You are right. But while there is undeniably an element of that, it's fair to say that we over-egged how good he was in the back end of the 2009 season. Jobi McAnuff, Tamas Priskin and Lloyd Doyley all could be regarded as one trick ponies. Those ponies happened to fit into a 4-5-1 better than a 4-4-2, making Rodgers look like an absolute genius. In fairness, that earned us a few million pounds on the transfer fees of McAnuff, Priskin and Rodgers himself, reducing our wage bill in the process.

    Looking beyond the polar opposite brands of football, I think that comparisons can be made between Rodgers and Boothroyd. Both fantastic when they have eleven men playing exactly the way they want, and both reasonably good at gearing a team up to do it. But neither has yet shown an ability to adapt. Unless Rodgers can show an ability to do that, I don't think he will make much more of an impact on the Premier League than Boothroyd. Although for balance BR is far more likely to learn from his mistakes than Aidy.
     
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  17. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    Norway - I know I am now as vulnerable to this argument as you are - but I think you had to be there really to judge. After the last year or so of AB Rodgers cane in and changed the whole ethos of the club. He got us looking forward again. I think you would have enjoyed going to the games under him - they were not all great as you could see that as a manager he was just finding his feet - but he knew what he wanted and got us out of a downward spiral - and ultimately paved the way for Malky to take over.
     
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  18. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Well-Known Member

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    To be honest Leo we needed a change the players wanted a change and would have backed anyone coming in , I reckon you or I would have managed to have made an impact if we had his contact list!!! You could say it was Jose that turned us round!!
     
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  19. andytoprankin

    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    Rodgers success is based on his time and contacts at Chelski. Scott Sinclair has been a big influence on their season.
    Boothroyd was a good man motivator, but his verbals eventually burn out, he sounds tiresome and I think that's why he starts well at clubs and then it drifts away from him.
     
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  20. andytoprankin

    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    Mackay is more reflective and intelligent than the other two. He can look at a game and not just have the "everything's positive" bullshit hat that the other two come out with incessantly. Sometimes it's important to see fault to improve.
     
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