Carroll was a perfectly suitable target, but as a top scout, surely when the price gets negotiated to 35m, he has to back out or stand firm?
hahaha, deluded mug. Don't trust me then Derek Llambias quoted the day after the deal; " "We didn't push Andy Carroll out, far from it - he asked to go. The fact is Mike Ashley didn't want to sell him, it's not like he needs the money is it? And remember we turned down bids of £30m and then £35m from Liverpool. "That's serious money for a 22-year-old with only six months' experience in the Premier League. But finally Mike's point of view was the player's put in a transfer request, so what can we do? "Andy was already earning top money at the club after signing a new deal recently. "But he said he'd been offered £80,000-a-week from Liverpool and asked what we would pay to make him stay. We told him the club just couldn't afford to give him a deal like that, nothing close. "And when we said 'No' - well, that's when he put in his transfer request."
Well, once again, I agree. We could have got better for the money if we'd waited. I criticise Comolli for alot of things, other deals and the fact he had no idea what to do as a DoF, but I won't criticise him too much for the Suarez/Carroll for Torres/Babel trade. He gets an unfair stigma for it.
I fail to see how that makes my point any less valid, deluded mug. So what, they turned down bids, we turned down several bids from Chelsea. They started bidding for Torres at 25mill and kept on going until we got a deal Newcastle were happy with whilst STILL making a 15mill profit.
I just don't really see it as a trade, Suarez signed before the whole Torres saga. I remember in the Benitez period we kept searching for some one to partner Torres (Keane, anyone?), Suarez would of been the perfect partner, such a shame really. I do agree though, I think the blame should be put on a number of people, it was just one major cock up and as it stands, it's arguably one of the worst transfer deals in history in terms of value for money.
Do you really, honestly believe that Henry (who seems to be one of the most dilligent, financially savvy and tight owners I've seen) would sanction a 35mill bid for Carroll without having of agreed the 50mill sale of Torres? The two transfers were linked very close. 15mill and Carroll for Torres. I respect your opinion, but don't dismiss other theories with 'end of'.
To put things into perspective Carroll won more in his first 3 months at Liverpool than any and every Everton striker that's played under Moyes in the last 10years including their fees and wages.
Step back from the keyboard & think about what you're suggesting happened. Chelsea agreed to pay LIVERPOOL £50M for Torres, the deal was in no way tied to Newcastle United. Liverpool then agreed a fee of £35M with Newcastle for Carroll. For what you are saying to be correct, then Liverpool wouldn't have been able to say "I tell you what, we'll leave Carroll & keep the £50m until the summer" as you're saying that the deals were directly linked. Which of course they weren't, as the Carroll deal could have been stopped at any time & Chelsea still would have paid £50M for Torres.
They were linked in the sense that Chelsea offered 25mill (I believe that was their starting bid) and we said we want Carroll (after Llorente bid failed) and 15mill. We negociated with Newcastle throughout and as they upped their demands, we demanded more from Chelsea. When Newcastle agreed on 35mill, Chelsea agreed on 50mill. All parties were happy. It's really very simple. I don't need to step back from the keyboard to go through it.
Why would anyone who'd ever negotiated anything in their life, ever start a negotiation with that line? You'd look to get the absolute maximum for Torres & pay the absolute minimum for Carroll. As otherwise you are in essence allowing Newcastle to define the value of your asset i.e Torres. I can't believe anyone with an ounce of savvy has swallowed that piss poor attempt at removing the focus from the headline fee.
In the 1st 3 months of his 1st full season at Liverpool than any and every Everton striker that's played under Moyes in the last 10years including their fees and wages.
Brilliant mate, the Michael Mouse 3 handed jug, which went from being a competition that you used to pour scorn on, to the World Cup in the space of 6 short years
The old memory playing up? You'd love to win it, those '6 short years' have lasted an awful long time boots, 31 years between our 1st win and last season i believe.
Loaning Carroll out for **** all and getting no replacement was as bad a bit of business as buying him for such a ridiculous amount. A lot of madness occured under Comolli but the madness didn't end when he got sacked so I find it hard to pin ALL the blame on him. Borini for 11 mill, Allen for 15 (you could find better players of a similar age in Spain for half that) and this swiftly followed by Dempseygate. Now we're about blow our January transfer budget on Sturridge and Ince. The madness hasn't ended quite yet it seems... I was totally against DC being appointed however whatever you say about Mandy, Hendo and Downing he did bring us a certain South American. Now if we'd just paid all of the Torres money on Suarez we'd have said Comolli's a genius. As it was he got Mandy thrown in too give me Suarez and Carroll over Borini, Allen and Sturridge any day of the week.
oh If We'd waited the failure to sign a forward would have been what they'd get stick for, and blame that for the season going wrong. If we told Torres wait till summer it would not have been 50m if we waited till the summer to buy carroll it wouldnt have been 35m So seeing as Chelsea wanted a late transfer they paid the cost for it, about 20m and we paid that extra last minute jan fee straight to newcastle on top of the 15m Carroll was worth. We had to get player and if Chelsea were willing to cover the extra it takes so late in the window, not like we're gonna say no as Torres was gone either way.
I've never poured scorn on the league cup in my life. I grew up with us winning it, have great memories of trips to the Millenium and it got me my first trip to the new Wemberlee Would you go to Wembley if your shower got there? Course you would and you'd have a class day out win or lose. Isn't that what it's all about? It only ever becomes Mickey Mouse when you get knocked out... ...Anyway, we aren't getting into a discussion about winning things...are we? Hahahahahaaa
