annoyed http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/12/14/100252-32427565/ I think some of these signings are never going to fit the system Brendan wants unfortunately but we obviously played different when Kenny was here I didnt know that Comolli recently won a wrongful dismissal case against us after taking us to court I was never keen on his appointment
I think he's wrong here, Carroll is never going to set the world alight therefore we paid way too much and he should accept that. I hope he comes back and proves me wrong but I really can't see him getting the chance and imo he wouldn't take it anyway. In years to come I think he will be a very good player but never worth the price tag we paid and never quite good enough for us.
Henderson £16m, Downing £20m, Carroll £35m and he says unfinished business. What was next? Jarvis £17m and Cattermole £23m?? Apart from say Downing, I don't have a problem, but the guy couldn't negotiate for ****. He wasted all the money that Rodgers could now be using.
Exactly, like I said I was always against his appointment. Makes me feel sick when I think of all that money gone. Kenny (and I love him) did want these players though so it was just wrong from the word go really
I honestly wonder if the negotiations went like this: Comoli: How much do you value Carroll? Newcastle: Well how much are you willing to spend? Comoli: Anything up to £35m tbh. Got about £100m in all or so, but got a couple big name deals lined up for the summer, hoping to get dilly dally downing at a cut price £20m. Newcastle: Yeah, well he is worth £35m.
We bought players and in the process of building a team with them the management team was sacked. I do not doubt we'd have been better this year under Kenny, looking at the league, we'd probably be higher too. That's the past no point looking back but other than Downing's performances the others always were gonna need time, time was not to be had. I just hope it is not the same mistake again, BR needs a few seasons. I will judge both years at the end of this season and see if we went backwards.
I think (and again I love Kenny) he changed the system too much. The signings could've worked but Kenny played Henderson on the right and also Downing was often there too which affected his crossing.
Only bit I agree on is the giving Kenny a bit more time. The rest is him trying to cover his ass. You mean to tell me that there wasn't a Brazilian, Argie, CHilean, someone from outside the UK in Europe that could not have done the same type of job as Carroll and Downing, but for conisderably less? All that he says is blown apart when you look at Jelavic,Ba,Cisse,Hernandez compared to Carroll. He got caught in the trying to build a british team and ended up blowing our only good load we had from the owners.
I'm fine with what he spent on Carroll. It's very simple really, we wanted Carroll + 15mill for Torres. Ship out an underperforming, moaning girl and get in a young, promising forward and have some cash left over. Yeah Carroll wasn't worth 35mill, but Torres wasn't worth 50mill either. It's Chavski who got screwed over, not us. Only morons say we got a poor deal. We traded Torres and Babel for Suarez and Carroll. Completely happy with that. Downing was silly for that much, Henderson went for the same price as Phil 'messi' Jones, and imo, is showing better promise. It's just we're not UTD, not managed by the 'god-like' Fergie so Hendo's a waste of cash whilst Jones is a bargain. Apart from Downing, I'd back Comolli on the transfers.
So if you sell something in real life for 50% more than its worth you would be happy to spend more than value price on its replacement?
That's a bollocks excuse for massively overpaying for Carroll & one spun (not surprisingly) by Comolli & Dalglish. The transactions are totally seperate. So the fact that you got £50M for Torres was (as it turns out) great business. Spending £35M on Carroll was bleeding terrible business.
We wanted Carroll and 15mill. That's exactly what we got. We traded a missfiring Torres and Babel for Suarez and Carroll. Better overall. I fail to see why we're criticised so much for it. Hindsight is wonderful, but at the time, we ended up with exactly what we wanted and ended up, overall, with 2 better forwards than what we had before - for no overall spend. People need to relax about the money spent on Carroll.
No. They are not separate at all. ""The negotiation for us was simply the difference in prices paid by Chelsea and to Newcastle," Henry said. "Those prices could have been £35m [from Chelsea for Torres] and £20m [to Newcastle for Carroll], 40 and 25 or 50 and 35. It was ultimately up to Newcastle how much this was all going to cost. They [Newcastle] made a hell of a deal. We felt the same way." http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/04/john-w-henry-interview-liverpool
I understand the whole Carroll + 15m thing to some extent. But that only works until a certain price, surely? If we were only getting 20-30m for Torres you could have a case for it, but when you're getting 50m for one player surely as a scout you'd reconsider your options and get more for your money, that season was a write off anyway so surely it would of just been best to hold out until the Summer instead of doing such a massive risk and panic buy?
We looked at Llorente (that much is confirmed) but for whatever reason, the transfer wasn't suitable for all parties involved, so we stuck with Carroll. I agree we should have waited til the summer with that much money incoming, and looked at what was around. However, the point remains that we got exactly what we wanted and Chelsea paid out.
Behave yourself, he was just covering the fact that you'd spunked £35M on Carroll after the football World had both gasped & laughed at it. For that bollocks theory to be correct, then Newcastle would have been negotiating the fee for Torres with Chelsea! Which didn't happen. There's never been a deal like that in the history of football. Chelsea paid daft money for Torres & you lot then paid even dafter money for the drunken Geordie.
Behave yourself, you're just repeating the usual tripe which is spouted across the media as they look for juicy, headline grabbing stories and make most of it up in doing so. It's hilarious that fans of other clubs cite the media to criticise another team but disregard the media when their own is attacked. For your bollocks theory, I need only to listen to Talksh#te. Go and piss around on your own board and not on ours, talking about stuff you have no knowledge about.
nah... i said on old 606 carrol was a panic buy and ridiculous. they could have at the time bought a lot of guys for a lot less than 35mil and NOT INJURED. the guy from day one had spurs fans guffawing at us. we see why they too sacked him...... henderson = fine... downing = gross over pay, dalglish and comolli should have moved on..... carroll was ridiculous..... truthfully the job he is on suarez case was enough without mentioning these disasters... there 50mil here pissed away and frnakly if we couldn't compete with chelsea and city pissing 50mil away for nothing but two dud who are drains on our wage bill.... well i'd sack em. Time for FSG to prove themsevles and put this rubbish in the past... deliver more than tom ince!
It could be argued that Carroll helped us win the League Cup and entry into this season's Europa League. Yes we overpaid for him but look at the situation we're in now with one striker and then think that on the last day of last january's transfer window our owners bit Chelsea's fingers off for the 50m they offered for Torres, Dalglish needed/wanted a replacement striker desperately and Camolli in desperation negotiated 35m of the Suarez money to make that happen with only a few hours left of the window.
