A few thoughts for you to consider 1. Guardiola inherited a good team and turned them into an even better team 2. If he came to Arsenal we might find out there REALLY was money to spend and it was Wenger who didnt 3. We are only 2 points behind 4th place so it not all that bad really, I think this article is over reacting.
1) I agree, Guardiola did inherit a good team but he improved them and got them playing to there full potential. I'm interested to see how he does in his next job. 2) I don't think thats fair, the club have basically come out and said that for the first time since we moved stadiums we are finally in a position to spend and compete with the big spending clubs. I think it's only over the next few transfer windows that we will start to see how much Wenger really wants to spend. If he left now and another Manager came in and spent big all that proves is that the board are telling the truth and now we actually have money to spend. 3) Completely agree.
A Man Utd fan was on Radio 5live a while ago. He said that the majority of Utd fans would jump at the chance to sign Wenger when Fergie retires 'If Arsenal were stupid enough to let him go' I think that says it all . .
I'm fine with people saying that the article is overreacting. Any comments as to which bits you disagree with and why? I'd be more interested to hear other peoples ideas rather than just a "no."
we did a poll last time in UTD section and Moyes was no.1 followed by Jose AW is a very good manager, but I think UTD style fit Moyes or Jose more .. we like to have much balanced approach ..play some good football but a football that bring in results as well. I still think AW is better option than Guardiola who have no experience in PL and with current players you in the squad, i really don't see a better manager that can do a better job than AW atm meanwhile, AW problem is that he is kind stubborn, surround himself with staff who are more "YES Boss" people and do the hairdryer instead of him.. I feel he is nicer than Sir Alex with his players .. we need hairdryers .. it works .. this is why Moyes was UTD choice in my opinion .. he is the closest version to Sir Alex and did consistent great job with Everton.
Well, most of the article is opinion stated as fact. One has to share your opinion that Ramsey and Gervinho are so bad they are embarassing. In order to comment on the article you also have to accept that, "The players did not show up for the first half". In that case it is even harder, because you are using a sarcastic expression which really has no quantative or qualitative value. The other thing is that you feel embarassment for things that quite frankly seem odd to me. "I am embarassed that a Club the size of Arsenal continues to lose its best players every year", and "Embarassed by Wenger saying the fans shouldn't be embarassed". I can't really comment on what you feel embarassed about. I imagine that other people are having trouble commenting about the nuts and bolts of the article for the same reasons. Now drawing a parallel from your dismissal of Gervinho and Ramsey, I could say that because, in my opinion this isn't one of your best articles, I will dismiss everything you will write in the future as dross, and say you are never going to write well enough for me consider you worth reading, or I can say, maybe he is having a bad day, and support you by saying, "I don't agree with your conclusion or how you got there, but I am willing to keep reading what you write, because I can see that your heart is in the right place and you are trying to make an argument instead of the hysterical fools that are just proclaiming the end of the world. So I hope I have replied in sufficient depth for you here. I don't think there is very much going wrong at Arsenal, and I am worried that Wenger is going to leave more because of the current footballing climate, than anything he has control over.
hhh ...YEZ Ma fghiend tbh even though many UTD fans don't think he is our top choice .. but that is due to difference of style as one of main reasons many of non-arsenal supporters i know will be happy to see him leave bcz they think he is still very good manager that can turn things around and sign some good players to reinforce your side and in all fairness he is not that stubborn too .. look how he recently signed players who can score goals and good at air to address your problem in that area .. which is a sign he is willing to change his philosophy of football and adopting and not that stubborn .. he is trying to find the right balance that fit to his style he shouldn't be sacked or been replaced imo
To your 3rd point, simply fighting for 4th place isn't good enough, we need to be fighting and competing for top honours, not merely scrapping for 4th spot. The fact we can only fight for 4th, shows we have regressed as a club, and are making no real progress. From winning titles, to consistently challenging for the title, to merely fighting for 4th place? How's that any good, and being "not all that bad"? If you were to tell Arsenal fans in 2002-2005 that oh yeah we'd be fighting for 4th place down the line, and if you'd tell them that as something to look forward to, or something positive, you'd be laughed out of the park. That simply shows how our standards have massively fallen, from title contenders, to mere top 4 contenders. Ending in the top 4, and challenging with realistic chances of winning trophies are not mutually exclusive things, United have shown this. As someone once said, if we are title contenders, then it automatically means we already seal a top 4 spot. But it seems with Arsenal, we have become so weakened, that ending in the top 4, and challenging and winning trophies, are seen as mutually exclusive, that it's either 1, or the other, that if we fail to get trophies, then at least we have the top 4 position as some sort of consolation, when in reality, if we were an elite club, a top 4 spot would be a formality precisely because we would be challenging for honours. Anyways, fans like myself haven't lowered our standards, and will not. Simply getting 4th season in, season out, is not good enough, we should be fighting for titles, and winning titles.
Erm so you think this one fan who called up the radio somehow speaks for most United fans? Just because one United fan says that, doesn't mean much, because there are many other United fans who'd never have Wenger.
No I don't think he speaks for all Utd fans, in the same way that I don't think a minority of 'Wenger out' fans speak for the majority of Arsenal fans
I would politely disagree. I think challenging for the Top 4 is within Arsenals grasp, but challenging year in, year out for titles is not. Not with the disparity of money between Arsenal and the likes of Chelsea and Man City. Man Utd have amazing marketing and PR, so they're ahead of Arsenal, but they shouldn't be by much. Arsenal are the 4th Team in the Premiership. But they are EASILY the 4th Team and should be attaining Top 4, and competing for the FA Cup and League Cup. Anywhere above 4th is an achievement, but at the moment, they are in danger of falling out of the Top 4, and the less said about the Cups the better.
It is not that simple. Arsenal has much better training facilities and other resourses than Bradford. Whereas the difference between Arsenal and ManCity is just how many more millions their playrs are paid. Arsenal and ManCity players have similar lifestyle that Bradford guys can only dream about. I think it is important for a player to concentrate on football and not worry about debts, loans, mortgage, childcare stuff, the need to go to the supermarket after a training session etc. Arsenal players are being cared for ridiculously good. One or two more millions per year on their bank account change nothing, absolutely nothing. There is a huge gap between a down to earth simple guy who plays for Bradford and a bunch of spoiled Premier league brats, be it Arsenal or ManCity. So I do not concede that Arsenal is etitled to lose to league 2 teams.
But here's the problem, for the past 2 seasons now, we're struggling to get our top 4, yes I know we got 3rd last year, but it was a kind of deceptive 3rd, grabbed on the last day, and only 1 point separate from 4th, so there was very very tiny minimal separation. It's like every season that's coming, we're regressing, and top 4 is becoming a challenge now, when as you say, we're the 4th best team, yet we're not playing like the 4th best team. When the likes of Piskie are concerned about 4th, you know you have a problem.
If there was a scientific poll done amongst Arsenal fans, you'd see the Wenger out brigade would be a sizeable number, ;-). May not be in a majority, but is steadily rising, there will be a direct correlation, the more we fall, and the more bad results over time, the more discontent towards Wenger, a lot of people who were patient, are running out. Wenger himself realises this, which is why he says he will assess the situation at the end of the season, he knows he no longer has the complete and unqualified support of everybody, and that there are people questioning him.
Unfortunately, the power of the unintelligent, in the age of intelligence. Millions of Americans thought George Bush would make a good president, twice in fact; it doesn't mean a thing.
Arsenal fans are not unintelligent, we have some of the most intelligent thoughtful fans, fans who eventually want Wenger out, will not be based on ignorance, but from an end of patience.
It sounds like you're dismissing all those who want Wenger to leave as being unintelligent. In exactly the same way as I don't think all of those who want Wenger to stay are idiots, I don't think you can say that all those who want him out are unintelligent.
No, I'm generalizing, and attempting irony. And I am making the point that it doesn't mean a thing either way. Democracy's flaw is that it indicates popularity nothing else. Even if you had a majority of Arsenal fans wanting Wenger out, all it would mean is that it was a popular point of view. The majority of even intelligent fans are not equipped to make an informed, rational judgement of whether Wenger should be sacked. Mainly because we simply don't know a lot of what goes on at Arsenal and secondly because few people know enough about managing a top football club, to effectively evaluate his strengths and weaknesses.
