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Pompey to be docked ten points

Discussion in 'Shrewsbury' started by greenhousmeadowman, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. greenhousmeadowman

    greenhousmeadowman Well-Known Member

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    The League confirm that Pompey will be docked ten points when they come out of administration. This should improve the table for us. I think clubs that go into administration should be relegated two divisions as they are simply cheating by not paying their debts like better-run clubs have to. How disgraceful it is to see relatively high earners like Mcleod and Thomas scoring goals for them when they are millions in debt - the League needs to take a much tougher line on badly-run clubs.
     
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  2. Lenny

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    I think they've realised after their promising start to the season that their previous model of lavish spending was unsustainable; hence the exodus of talented players. I think they might struggle if the deduction comes in before January - they won't be an attractive proposition for new players.
     
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  3. Matster

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    Have they been given so long because they are Portsmouth? Port vale et al never seemed to get that long.
     
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  4. atcham jack

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    not wishing it on them but if bury were also docked, towns survival could be ok, even with lemons up front.
     
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  5. tinned hats

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    we mustn't forget that these and many more like it are struggling because they are owned by people who are in the game for a quick pay day and have little affiliation to the club other than financial...its not the fans fault and personally i would like us to stay up through performance rather than at the expense of other teams having points deducted off them. The fact that other clubs are having points taken off them still doesn't detract from the fact that i'm watching crap week in week out at the new meadow, i would rather see GT build a good competitive side any day....the reason we are near the bottom is because of our tight fisted owner who wont spend a solitary penny!!.....that's why i'm a big advocate of supporters running the clubs instead of boards of directors and chairmen, at least if we cock up its our fault!:emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    Well said tinned hats - why should the fans suffer ?! PFC have had a succession of "dodgy owners", so blame the Football League for not having a proper Fit & Proper Persons Test, in allowing them to gain control in the first place. Hopefully, at last, we will be owned by the fans, and not by some unknown foreign owner only interested in himself.

    I just hope for your sake, the same thing doesn't happen to your club at some time in the future........
     
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  7. Matster

    Matster Well-Known Member
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    The fit and proper persons test is from what I've read absolutely useless.
     
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  8. Hounded Out By Morons

    Hounded Out By Morons Well-Known Member

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    I take it that you didn't like winning the FA Cup and beinging in the top league. Were you protesting then?
     
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  9. atcham jack

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    it is not often that aj's flabber gets gasted, but i must respond to the tinned hats rant. are you seriosly suggesting that rolands heart is not in our club.

    who invested in a near bankrupt business, to build it up into one of the top 100 well run businesses, to see it fall into and bounce back out of the conference, to see our great club at wembley twice, to see promotion snatched away by a myopic linesman and finally to see town promoted, are you really suggesting roland has not invested in the club, yes he has. our present situation is down to one man and a lean squad. i refer to graham turner and his disastrous loanees.

    how many more times do i have to say roland offered graham cash in the summer and gt took the hereford way of loanees.

    we are where we are and money will again be available in january. it is to be hoped gt will choose to use it.

    hands off the chairman he rules ok. and as for donald duck's sister, words fail me. er floreat salopia!
     
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  10. Lenny

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    Oops, didn't mean to "dislike" that! I agree with the sentiments; it'd feel wrong if the only reason we stayed up was due to a Pompey points deduction. Equally though, it's the fact that they're spending all that money on the likes of Buzaky that they are in this mess in the first place.

    Obviously we have differing views on Roland, although we both want him to invest more! I have met the man and one of my closest friends is in fact a relative of his - I can assure you he is 100% genuine and is a fan as well. The plight of Pompey simply serves to highlight how fortunate we are not to have over-invested in the last few years when it was clearly a very easy temptation.
     
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    So the club itself bears no blame for selling to these people? If the league should have seen that they were dodgy, undoubtedly the people selling the club should have seen the same. Everybody knew that CSI were dodgy except, apparently, Pompey and the Football League.
     
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  12. greenhousmeadowman

    greenhousmeadowman Well-Known Member

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    Pieking,
    I agree with you - it is a common reaction to try and blame those in authority (in this case the League) when things go wrong. Pompey has not been run in a sustainable way and they should pay the price for it - simple as that.
     
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  13. tinned hats

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    greenhousmeadowman...i think your well out of order with that statment, we fans must stick together, Rowland is getting on in years now....so there goes by the grace of god, another 10 years down the line and this could be us, one thing is for certain PFC is further to rebuilding with a fan base than us thats for sure...its the owner and the league that should pay the price, not the club!!
     
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  14. Piebacca

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    I'm not sure the League is to blame at all. The Owners Test has only ever been to make sure that a potential purchaser is legally allowed to own a company in this country.

    Anyway, the points deduction this time refers to the CVA they got from their previous administration. They haven't paid a penny of it, and diluted it into the current one, so that the creditors from it are only getting 0.4p in the pound of what they're owed.



    Sounds a little obsessive, yes? Well, as Saints Pompey is a local derby, I have a vested interest in what happens to them. Want to see them punished. Don't want to see them disappear though.
     
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  15. Wooperts_duck

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    Correct Pieking, blame the previous owners (Portpin Ltd/Balram Chanrai) for selling the club to CSI - the fans didn't sell it, or dig-up the new owners.

    Infact, numerous Pompey fans contacted the Football League by email and letter, pointing out all of their "shortcomings", but still the Football League confirmed they had passed the Fit and Proper Persons Test......<doh>
     
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  16. shrewdchemic

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    Have you thought this through at all? So we're near the bottom because Wycherley won't spend (not true - Weale, Parry, Rodgers etc don't come for free but let that pass) whereas if the fans ran the club presumably they would spend? Then perhaps we'd find our finances going the way of Portsmouth, Port Vale, Bournemouth and all the rest too numerous to mention.

    Be careful what you wish for. Spending money isn't the be all and end all of running a club, as you seem to imagine. It's easy to blame the chairman because we're near the bottom. Nobody blamed him much last season did they? Then we were a well run club, competing at the top but within our resources. Now you think our problems disappear if we unleash the cash. I think you're wrong - that's when our problems would really begin.

    As for the points deduction, if that's all that kept us up I'd take it. I don't think 10 points is sufficient punishment for clubs going into administration. Automatic relegation and disqualification of the board is the only way to bring some sense to the ridiculous overspending of too many clubs. Tough on the fans, yes, but they enjoyed the good times that their club couldn't really afford and they didn't seem to protest too much that they were doing other fans out of their rightful success at the time, did they? True fans will stand by their club as it builds a sustainable base.
     
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  17. greenhousmeadowman

    greenhousmeadowman Well-Known Member

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    Shrewchemic,
    You are very worthy of your name and are spot on with your analysis.
     
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  18. Matster

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    Seconded <ok>
     
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    yere yere yere as they say in parliament
     
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  20. shrewdchemic

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    Awww, cheers chaps. Nice to be appreciated (for once!). :redface:
     
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