I think it is really good that its friendly and every day behavior for black and white people to communicate in that way in Uruguay. There is no fear or conflicts connected to just describing some ones skin colour, and no racial divides. As Suarez said, it is like calling some one blondy when they have blond hair. I bet crimes connected to racism are a lot rarer over there.
I've said it numerous times but I think people overplay racism and overreact to it. What is the difference between someone insulting my weight or my skin colour? There is no difference - they are both offensive based on one's appearance. But yet, only one of these insults will be seen as offensive and could lead to serious consequences. In addition, if someone called me black, brown etc - is that offensive? It's merely a fact. However, if someone said that I won't get a job because of my skin colour - now that is racism. Passing judgment/making a decision based on my skin colour is racism. Insulting me by merely including a 'colour' in front of a swear word isn't (IMO). This entire country needs educating.
where do we draw the line with what is acceptable though, or taking responsibility for your own actions, that's the biggest problem for me, its not just racism that is the frigging problem in this country. speaking hypothetically here, but just say i made a comment talking to a utd supporter on a forum that i hoped he died and i am going to burn his family, i dont think for one minute an issue would be made of it when it should(although obviously i would get grief from utd suporters and damn right i should, but an issue made, i doubt it), now if for arguments sake he happened to be black and i said f off you black nobhead or something similar i would be hung drawn and slaughtered for that comment and probably be all over the news as well, but not the first one, which comment honestly is the worst out the 2? EVERYONE in this country needs educating with rights and wrongs(myself included), but sadly we live in a world where most communicating is done behind a keyboard.
I don't think it's an admission of 'getting it wrong' at all. You said this. The first opportunity to jump on and dsagree and here you are, the subject matters not my trolly friend No reason to think that as you backed the fiasco of a hearing and the outcome, biased much, you barely attempt to hide it too, but you do try, then just go and blab off topic about me So debate statement, why? Dummy The only widely publicised incident and mention of cultural differences was the Suarez case. They denied his defence was feasible while their own language experts said the defence was accurate whether true or not. Suarez was made an example of, but not one manc can say that so again debate? ye've been calling him racist since then so actually you don't even belong on this thread at all, fk off
I share your exact opinion. Word for word. Have done for a long time. Does that mean you do not think what Terry said was racist. Because I do not think it was really racist. It was very rude, offensive, but that is all.
That is the problem - racism is seen to be the worst crime of all. Of course, it is horrible and I'm not saying that we should ignore it. But in your example, which scenario would I be more afraid of? Definitely someone threatening me and my family.
Where do you draw the line in society away from internet world? Sitting behind a computer screen should not mean you behave in a different manner. What is acceptable and unacceptable in the real world should be exactly the some via a computer, phone, etc! In real life you would be reported to the police and face charges for threatening behaviour. I extremely doubt this will be the case from an internet forum. PS - I am pretty sure that in real life the guy you said it to would have just kicked the **** out of you for it though
This initiative seems at face value to be wholly commendable and should be applauded. But the wider issue of racism needs to be stamped out much earlier in a potential footballer's career - like at school or at home. It's all about education and unfortunately, this type of behaviour does appear to manifest itself down through the generations and at all levels of "class" within society. We have a lot of work to do to eradicate it
No I don't. I think it was silly and insulting, but not racist. That is my interpretation of what racism is, especially as I have encountered it first hand. Do I think Frimpong and Rio are racists? No - for the very same reason. However, after what had happened to Suarez, I feel everyone else should be judged to the same standards. Unfortunately, Rio and Frimpong got off lightly compared to Luis. Now this is obviously not the way to act. These standards are ridiculous and my view is based on anger and revenge and justice. The right way would have been to have given a lesson in cultural differences (as the FA are proposing) and a smaller ban. Instead, he got 8 games and was completely villified by everyone.
One hopes this programme will also do away with the preposterous fallacy that your average Frenchman 'exclaims' in Spanish that an opponent's sister is a whore.
It's a different point of view. You don't seem to be able to handle it for some reason. I'm not going to argue with you and ruin a thread - mainly due to half of what you are typing making no sense at all
that's the problem though for me Gerrez, things are seen dif on the internet as opposed to real life, unless it suits ie racism. also i would never resort to anything that low or disgusting but highlighting the 2 scenarios, which would have an issue made of it more,sadly it is the racism one.
However, after what had happened to Suarez, I feel everyone else should be judged to the same standards. Unfortunately, Rio and Frimpong got off lightly compared to Luis. This is obviously not the way to act. These standards are ridiculous and my view is based on anger and revenge and justice. yes, in order to combat racism the inherently racist FA elevates on form of racism above all others, in a uniquely double-standards approach to equality and fairness.
This would be my issue. They (the FA) already dismissed "cultural differences as an excuse or justification) so why the need (in their heads) for this course then? The Suarez punishment & accompanying declaration made it very clear cultural interpretations will not be accepted & that literal interpretation of existing FA law would always be held. The FA have already made it clear that no culture views other than English will be tolerated so there's no need for the course; its a clear statement made already. In fact under those circumstances the course itself is xenophobic: go something like this?: "This is English culture & society: you must conform to it totally, no introduction of your culture of birth will be tolerated (despite the fact that outside of football the UK has encouraged & enshrined in law multiculturalism over 100 years and our entire culture is based on a blend of invading forces & economic immigrants such as yourself but we in football & football media have always ignored that & championed xenophobia & jingoism) and so: you will accept that you will be called names & your character questioned by all in English football based purely on the fact that you are a foreigner but you must not under any circumstances do this: only fat lazy white journalists & black lawyers can do this. You must not use the word black in any context; own anything that is black (this is a reminder of slavery and proves you actually want to own slaves) If you overhear England players or read FA employees referring to a persons skin colour in a negative way it is in fact you who is racist because you heard it or read it & you are a foreigner. Accept that we do not like you & tolerate you only to make our league more attractive commercially & that you are a good distraction to abuse in the media & the terraces. Welcome to English football. Except as you now know. You are not welcome.
