He did win us the game on Saturday(for which we're obviously all very grateful), though on several occasions he almost cost us the game too. And that's his problem. He's put in some good performances this season, but Saturday definitely wasn't one of them.
I understand the point that you are making, but I don't think any supporter would want a player to make mistakes (not one in their right mind anyway). The difference is that, having watched Macca's performances for a number of years, some people on here acknowledge that Macca is doing ok at the moment, but believe (and possibly expect) that he will make one of his howlers at any given moment. I would never boo one of my own, but I'm afraid that after having seen Macca's defending at Sunderland, with us, and for ROI, I fear that he will gift the opposition a goal or at least an opportunity in every game. If he proves me wrong I couldn't be happier, but I don't think that he will. As they say, form is temporary, lack of class is permanent.
Some of you people need to take a reality check. We are a Championship side at the minute, not a Premier one. Players in this team are in a chamionship team. Some would be ok in the Prem some wouldnt. You talk about Macca making or awaiting to make a howler. You talk about Bruce virtually being in the same situation. But you completely overlook that Chester has been no where near to his consistant form from last season. But thats never mentioned on here because you all wear bloody blinkers. You dont like it that the managers son and to butt of the boo boys are actuall better defenders at the minut. Championship players and young lads make mistakes and any player that doesnt isnt human. Take your blinkers off for a while and look at the bigger picture. Stop all this shy.te about waiting for players to cock up as you exect them to and get behind them. A little bit of praise goes along way towards confidence, or havnt you ever heard of that.
This is a message board for people's opinions to be voiced! I have not heard many people slagging McShane off in the stadium, in fact McShane has been voted man of the match on a few occassions. Fact is that Hobbs is a better defender and should replace Macca once he is fit
I used to sit right behind the goal in the South Stand, believe me I have seen some howlers from Hobbs as well. It's his absence that make people believe he is a better player than he is. I obviously not saying he is a bad player, just not as good as some people's memories remember.
I think folk are beginning to take Chester for granted a touch now.. he's by far and away our best centre half.. he's a class above.. we're just so used to seeing it. Hobbs is decent, but I'd argue he's prone to the odd mistake just as Bruce and Macca are.. very little between them.. just for pure comedic value.. I'd go with the ginger ninja.. he's a bona fide nutter.
I thought at times he was better than Chester last season, he didn't miss a header and they were perfect as a pair.
Look westhull, Im not out for a row with anyone. Im saying what you are, people are entitled to give an opinion without doubt, but lets just be a little bit fair shall we? I just happen to think (and Im not alone on this either) that Macca has done very little wrong since coming into the side and does deserve credit for showing us the best form since he arrived at the club. Ive always said that his best position is centre back and so it appears to be being proven. He is a liability at full back no doubt.
I have said for a couple of season that Macca is much better as a centre back than he was as a right back. Most of his cock up have been when he played right back. I think he was a bit unlucky, I watched him at the Liverpool preseason match and he had a good game at centre back, but from memory picked up an injury which kept him out for a few games at the start of last season, and never got much of a chance again under NP or NB. I think he is just proving this season, that this is his best position, and is starting to prove that.
Completely agree about Chester. He's been awesome for so long that we just don't appreciate it any more and the 'mistakes' people keep talking about are still incredibly rare. I don't think Hobbs is over-rated or mistake-prone at all though. Between the two of them they were pretty much perfect last season, as CityCalv says. He's made plenty of errors this season at centre back too though. If he hadn't, we wouldn't be having this debate. It just seems like whatever he does can be easily ignored and forgotten about, yet some people are going on about Chester making 'loads of mistakes' which was actually just misjudging one high ball at Blackburn. Amos was the same for the last few weeks he was in the team, people were desparate for him to make a mistake so they could go on about inexperienced keepers, whereas if Macca cocked up, even in the same match, it was totally different.
If you swapped the words Macca and Chester around in your post you'd get an entirely fair argument for the other side. Is it too much to say they're both playing well?
They are both playing well and it's a bloody good job. Chester is hardly ever talked about his mistakes because he hardly makes any whereas McShane's mistakes are usually game-costing such as an awful back pass that allows their player through on goal, or too much complacency whilst on the ball and eventually being dispossessed in our own box... But, he's made up for them this year with some solid performances.
He goes close every match but there is some truth in that he is managing to cut most of them out at the moment
Can't remember which game it was, but a simple cross which only needed to be kicked away, he completely missed and it ran through his legs, hitting another defender and ending up in the net. At Forest, he got tackled in our area and Reid almost scored from it. He has definitely made a few shocking back-passes this Season too which has lead to massive pressure on the defence. I'm not saying he's a bad player, because he's showing us this Season that he is a good player. He won MOTM against Palarse FFS. If someone had have told me last Season that McShane eventually wins MOTM for Hull City, I'd have laughed in their face. He is playing extremely well but still seems to have his mistake-prone performance in their somewhere. He's 95% of the way there for me. Cut out the individual errors he makes, and he's a great defender.
Shoddy comparison there Perry. Hobbs and Stewart are poles apart in terms of attitude, application and dare I say ability.
If he makes mistakes which don't turn out to be match-costing, doesn't that tell you the rest of the team are doing pretty well?
I meant more that people are building him up so much in their minds that he'll never be able to reach their expectations. Hobbs isn't bad, but there's no reason he should walk into the team ahead of Chester, McShane or Bruce. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and that.
Yeah, nobody's denying Macca's made a couple of mistakes. It's just irritating that it's only his that are pointed out. I haven't seen anybody crucify Elmo yet and his mistake Tuesday night was probably the worst we've seen this season. It's just the one rule for one, one rule for another bollocks on here that gets annoying.
Decent point and I agree that he shouldn't walk back into the team on reputation alone. Saying that he is a decent larker and his usual standard is better than that of McShane and Bruce. He's also a big lump,at the moment we have 2 centre halves under 6 ft who start regularly. Overall I'm very pleased he'll be back in contention soon.
