Nice to know that I have touched a raw nerve on here even though I haven't actually done or wrote anything
Your embarrassing obsession with Rodgers gave us a buzz last night, aren't you playing Arsenal today?, or are LFC and Rodgers your only concern this morning.
I've been saying so for long enough. His latest utterings are more of the same: ""The table is very tight and we have had a run of games where we didn't quite have the wins we wanted but we played well. Now we have to show the winning mentality. Over the course of the next month there is an opportunity to gets wins on the board." He's been saying the same thing since around game three. See how he mentions "the winning mentality"? A squad which won a cup and got to another final had the winning mentality. So who's responsible for them losing it? Now we have players humming and hawwing over renewing contracts. The last time there was talk of players wanting to leave was under Hodgson. The media lectured us about Hodgson's quality, too. They blamed the squad Rafa left for us being at 19th. As I said some time ago, it may not look like Hodgson but it feels like it. And I sense a few more people starting to agree with what I've said all along. The Enlightenment begins.
He has to be given time, I will judge him at this point of next season we have to improve and now, but lets see if this all works out I don't want to start again with another manager.
All we heard after each match from KD was "unlucky/ great effort" bar one match where he tried the hard line act that had as much effect as a wet kipper on the players. Those of us with patience accepted that he had to say something & unlike Hodgeson couldn't come out each week & basically say "what do you expect we're crap" I see nothing different with BR and accept the same reasoning. It would be highly hypocritical not to don't you think? Players plural? Like a bit of exaggeration eh? One 17 year old kid (with big 'if's' at the moment over the story) who has a history of uppitiness (stories that started under KD) who's agent thinks he has the club over a barrel & BR is telling him he does not. Tell me oh grand oracle (this is where you make something up) how would KD have responded differently? I'm getting old so I must be forgetting our Kenny's expert media style & calm and pre planned presentations. Where are the media saying give him time? The question hasn't been raised by the fans en masse that would require the same approach. Everyone sensible took it as read that this was STILL a building job be it with KD or BR. Only person "in camp" I've heard say BR out is you & its been from before a ball was kicked so not really to be taken as a measured objective conclusion is it? And certainly not requiring a media led defence. Oh & that winning team you speak of: did it get lost down the back of the sofa this time last year in the league? I notice its something you conveniently forget in your comparisons these days. No longer is it the defence of a team in transition under KD that should be given time; its this perfect cup winning machine that Brendan destroyed. Did you forget the 12 part of the 11/12 league season? That was all with that winning mentality team (who didn't win the 2nd cup by the way: winning isn't getting to the line last & saying "but I got here!" I don't mind that yer Anti him M, You may even be right but its your exaggeration & and amateur melodramatics that make you sound like you're one of those sandwich board dudes with "the end is nigh" on it. I mean "the enlightenment begins" for gods sake mate.
You are right. I think people may have overestimated Rodgers' ability as a manager. he has done well at Swansea but then many mangers do well at "smaller" clubs and find it difficult at a bigger club. He has done as badly as Hodgson for the same number of games and yet for some reason he is viewed as doing reasonably well "under the circumstances"...If Hodgson or even Houllier had tried to justify recent poor results like he had, they would have been hung drawn and quartered...
That's the point though isn't it MFG? It doesn't matter if you're right. It's not about you and whether you're right or wrong- it's about the club. Regardless of our personal opinions, BR is now our manager and we should be behind him and wanting him to do well. You seem to want him, and by association LFC, to fail just so you can say you were right all along.
Fergie's run of piss poor results on his arrival at OT was worse than Rodgers, so should Ferguson have been hung drawn and quartered and turned into mince?
I like the way you left Kenny out there as he did exactly the same thing & the man you're agreeing with raged (rightly) against anyone who levelled the same criticism at him for doing it. No one over estimated anything. You must have missed the 30 odd threads in July discussing the pro's & cons of his selection as manager. We know he's young & with plenty to learn. So what? We've had half a dozen managers of various age & experience that have all failed to improve our team to the point of winning the league so like all those managers most of us want to give him a reasonable amount of time to try. We also by the way realise that this entire process required a complete overhaul of the club into modern football. I'd suggest the string of quite successful & experienced managers that failed under the old set up would be proof of that. I'll repeat: as others have everytime someone like you tries to batter us with the Roy stick. Our dislike had very little to do with results & all to do with the atmosphere he created both on & off the pitch. He had a contempt for the squad & fans that was appalling. He was like one of you opposing fans getting your hands on the Job and saying this is my chance to tell them they're not as great as they think they are. Well we already knew that and didn't need him telling us it every week or worse telling us that it was his job to get us to accept it rather than having a plan to change it. Will BR's plan work? Who knows but I'll listen to man who says he has one before I'll listen to someone who shrugs and says "this is as good as it gets".....
I presume you mean that we should give managers time. I do not disagree on that point. So shouldn't you have given Hodgson a bit more time? It just seems that some managers get more time and understanding whilst others get sacked very quickly on the same performances. Has Rodgers bamboozle you with his talk of new football, new hunger etc. Dalglish got given only a little more than a year. Hodgson even less. Shouldn't they have been given more time?
1985 to 1990 is very different to 2012.. the cash is different and frankly its very clear to me whatever FSG say baout style and winning the real reason kenny went is his big buys were awful. carroll and downing and adam and even henderson got kenny the sack, no question. if he'd finished 8th on zero net spend he'd not have been sacked. Ferguson got a long time simply becuase of the times that were in it only deadly doug ellis was sacking managers for sport back then. simply put performances and results determine a managers fate. hughes got far too long at qpr as everyone could see wher eit was going.... hodgson actually got about 10 games too many under FSG as it was just ridiculous.... on the other hand dalglish won a cup so was half excused for going january to may i nrelegation form... why is clarke the bees knees right now.. results... will he be so impressive in 6 months time... not so sure, we all should rememebr di matteo at that same club. Rodgers' fate will be known on jan 31 with the players he's allowed buy. if he gets nothing he'll be scapegoated by FSG... they will blame him for not spending fictional cash. If he buys badly i'll agree he should go but if he gets nothing i think FSG should be run out of town. I've very little time for any of this crap any more.
The why are you agreeing with a person that wanted rid before the first game? MFG criticises everyone he believed had no patience with KD but yet displays the same for BR in a drawn out childish temper tantrum. Already given reasons for Hodgeson. I have no problem someone saying our Brendan doesn't half talk ****e: he does. But tell me a manager that doesn't be it Wengers selective vision or Fergie handing out judgements regardless with whether they contradict a previous judgement from on high. None of it matters if the progress on the pitch is happening. I have no problem saying he has made some mistakes & that this is probably down to his inexperience: it is. Have any if them been catastrophic? Have they collectively resulted in losing the faith of the players? Nope. Again, I repeat. Most fans believed this was a multi year task no matter who was in post. We all knew that a large group of players were past it & would be going either quickly which leaves us thin or slowly which would have left us even more hamstrung financially than we are now; which would have slowed the process by years more. So we ripped the bandage off quickly. This year was always going to be painful league wise. And yes a naive mistake in the transfer market exacerbated that in September. After all that with a thinner squad we're only a decent striker worse than a year before? I'll accept that this year. After January & the Summer if we are still struggling as badly as this I'll make stronger criticism of BR.
Our owners decide who manages our club mate not us, and when they appointed Rodgers they guaranteed him time to stabilize and rebuild, Hodgson was appointed by the outgoing former LFC Chairman Martin Broughton(a Chelsea fan)when he should have left that choice, if we were the ones choosing our successor to Kenny Rodgers wouldn't be here now.
My this has been an interesting thread! shame there are too many Scousers touchy over their current demise, far too many big ego's on here, to go with their big club downfall. Most Jacks are well over Rodgers, some of us never wanted the blarney stone in the first place, he's of no consequence to those of us who see the bigger picture, your mistake was you got the wrong manager, you should have got Martinez, for the passing game. But at least we'll all get to see what really is Rodgers football! Going to be very entertaining for us all ..................
