And if Arsenal won the league now i'd be seen as a managerial masterstroke. The chances of it actually happening are statistically so low I'm gonna go ahead and say it's practically nil.
Would be the same with Valencia as well except we are not talking now, we are talking over 10 years ago when frankly it wasnt.
The reality is, he's not as good as some Liverpool fans think and not as bad as some United fans think. Overall I think he was a success at Valencia and at Liverpool. Obviously not an Inter but look what he had to follow and he wasn't given any time either. You can't be a success everywhere, all managers have blips. It's pretty much a given Fergie would not have survived those early United days had it been now and not 20 odd years ago.
Most United fans know hes not a bad manager but we also know hes not one of the worlds top managers. He was decent at Valencia and with someone elses team started well at Liverpool ( he had some input obviously ) but when he had made it his team entirely the wheels came off bigtime.
We're currently the top London club and won more trophies than any other London club last year and the only London club to win the CL Try Harder next time
If we're going by league positions doesn't that make us the top Manchester club and the top club in England...? If you're going to engage in a game of MY SCHLONG IS BIGGER THAN YOURS then you need to set some rules DL.
United are no 1 until they choke an eight point lead. Amazing how empty Old T was at 3-1 in that game: so many plastics
You need to go on a history course about the respective attendances at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge during the clubs' bleak years. The modern fan like yourself bases too much of their football knowledge on urban myths and spin which are then converted into "fact" (and you doubted you had the right manager in place!), such as United only having plastic fans and, no doubt, Chelsea having a massive hardcore support who have been there for the club froo fick and fin.
For 30 years Chelsea were getting and setting attendance records regularly.At the time Chelsea had not won a single trophy.Are those the bleak years you are talking about or are they too far back and just 'istory'?
I don't know what period you're talking about but I do remember the 80's and early Premiership years when Chelsea were getting around 15-20,000 fans. I know you think all United fans are gloryhunters but in the relegation season we got close to 50,000 fans on average and during the 80's it was around 40-50,000. That's a lot of gloryhunters following an under achieving team that hadn't won the league for a long time.
In the seasons before, during and after your relegation season your home support was nearly all local(pay at the turnstiles in those days, no buying tickets online or cheap flights etc), your average was high 40's to mid 50's during that time, what's your average now? Based on the years since your first prem title you've added an extra 20+k to your average, plenty of plastics have latched on to Utd's success no doubt about it.
Yes, you're right but that's our only bad period regarding attendance. The rest of time we've had way above average and brilliant support with our record attendance actually bigger than yours standing at over 80k. I do have to give it to United, their core support has always been brilliant and especially during relegation.
I don't deny that United have plenty of gloryhunter fans, it goes with the territory. The majority of posters on the Liverpool board seem to be aged mid 30's to mid 40's and not from Liverpool, I wonder what attracted them to the club in the 1970's and 80's, the perms, the tight shorts, the Scottish accents?! What is utter nonsense though is the generalisation that almost ALL United fans are gloryhunters. It's a message board myth popularised by the bitter and accepted as fact by the ignorant.
Rubbish. You had 20-odd K attendances like everyone else in the 80s, and you never averaged 50k in the 80s
