I can't really comment on these incidents as I haven't seen the replays. However, my first reaction was that Clyne's tackle was a foul. Even if he did get the ball, it was a reckless lunge. I am not blaming Clattenburg for that one.
Clattenburg got the big calls right for me, our goal should have stood, and having watched motd when i got back I don't think Clyne got the ball for theirs. It was the niggly decisions that he kept getting wrong. Lambert got physically raped a few times, we should have had 2 corners, there were some shocking offside calls, throw-ins that weren't given etc. There was also a face height kung-fu kick attack on morgan schneiderlin which was apparently not a foul... But in no way did the ref affect the match. For me it was just a hard fought game between two very similar sides actually. It felt to me like one of those games where nothing would fall for us. Every punt or bounce seemed to fall back to a yellow shirt. Was very impressed, with Tettey and Hoolahan in particular. I have a bit of a soft spot for Norwich tbh, their fans were all awesome on the way out and it was a pretty good, if low-scoring game. Think a draw was definitely a fair result.
Really interesting reading. Ours was a definite freekick whereas yours before the goal was not. (In my eyes anyway) Best part of yesterday was the shout of "Clatternburg you disgust me" from a bloke a few rows behind me just as your fans were piping down about some decision. Comedy timing was perfect.
It was a definite foul by Clyne just found some highlights. The touch was your player that took the ball away from them. As for ours I had a bad view but looked like he dived to me, after all it seemed like he took at least another step or two before going down. I'd have to see it again. I did say he didn't favour either team despite what I said.
Clyne's tackle was definitely a foul. He looked completely unsurprised by the decision and made no argument.
Just found some highlights . Yes, I agree it looks a foul . At the time i thought Clyne got some of the ball. We did have a few men around the ball and his slide was going exactly where the ball ended up so I'd presumed he got some of the man and some of the ball http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/1...n-1-1-norwich-city-premier-league-highlights/
Looked like he got the ball to me....just shows how hard this reffing lark is in real time if we can't agree seeing the same incident from various angles in slo-mo.
Haven't you noticed, the Saints players very rarely dispute a decision with any real vigour, NA has them disciplined enough to keep their traps shut, I sometimes think we don't make enough fuss when I watch the opposition players giving it large and getting decisions.
Nigel remarked recently that the media seem to think that Saints accept things too readily, but he said all the players are told to respect decisions. No amount of moaning will change anything and could wind up other players and end up with more bookings. However, in cricket if you don't ask you don't get. In general, I do approve...I like to think Saints do things the right way....it's Saintly.
Usually, though Lallana seemed to lose it with the ref against Newcastle with those throw-in calls and Rickie often treats referees to an arms-wide expression of frustration when he fails to get a free-kick. Actually spotted Gaston doing that Italian-style begging hand motion yesterday that you often see Mancini (and a lot of Italian players) doing, which was amusing. They are pretty well-behaved in general though, only time I can recall seeing a concerted effort to bother the ref was Billy Sharp's goal against Portsmouth last season, and they were right of course (though how many of them knew it I'm not sure!)
Back of my sickbed and I have to say that I was pleased with the point in the end. In the good old recent past we could easily have folded after letting in such a soft goal.
Adkins and Clyne both think Clyne got the ball. Looking at the footage it doesn't look that way to me?
With respect Fran, the fact that a tackling player gets the ball does NOT mean that the tackle is not a foul. The ball has to be "got" without committing an offence in "getting" it. An obvious example is the tackle from behind, which often "gets" the ball, but is a foul tackle. Another example is a tackle constituting dangerous play (e.g. Kompany's tackle last season for which he received a red card despite "getting" the ball). I would suggest that Mark Clattenburg almost certainly knows the rules of the game in a lot more detail than most of us do! Also, what we terrace pundits (and others) describe as refereeing "mistakes" are very seldom "mistakes". In most cases they are situations in which a judgement has to be made, e.g. about whether a player dived or not, or whether a piece of play was dangerous or not. People may disagree with the referee's interpretation of an incident (usually because of the colour of the spectacles being worn), but the disagreement is over the interpretation of an action, not a failure to observe a rule.
He wasn't pulled he was clipped twice from behind, causing him to stumble then he went down. Snodgrass knew what he was doing, Shaw was gone with your players out of position, he both tried to pull and trip him, and managed the latter. Watch it again and you can clearly see Clyne poke the ball away. The fans in the ground would indeed react badly if that happened to see us, but once you actually see it properly you can clearly see Clyne get the ball. Was actually a fantastic challenge, although he did make a couple of other poor ones.
Snodgrass jinks left just as Clyne slides in. Clyne doesn't get the ball. Click the link on the page and watch on full screen. Keep stop and starting the video just before the incident and it will mimic a slow motion
Blimey sooooo many red and yellow tinted glasses. Clattenberg was utter bollox. His assistants were even worse. For both teams by the way. We were better first half Norwcih were better second half. Both goals were "good" goals. First half I was amazed at how many hoof balls Norwich played, but then in the second half they bossed most of it with some quality football. Hoolihan is the obvious name to be praised for his trickery, but I thought Johnson completely ran things in the second half, he was their best player. Draw was a fair result, so not sure what all the bitching is about.
This. We were terrible in the first half, sorry about that. And our wingers were crap the whole match. No wonder Holt had a strop. Clyne's was a definite foul, as was the cynical pull back by Snodgrass. No way a referee could justify giving handball for Lambert's because he wasn't even looking at it- just very unlucky for us. Matched by an equally soft goal the other end. The only one I was shocked was not on MotD was the penalty shout on Snodgrass near the end (someone mentioned that above), I think that could easily have been given, but not surprised it wasn't as (a) we never get penalties (promoted sides don't...) and (b) The ball rolled away to make it look less like a foul. Would have been a harsh scoreline on you if we'd got it.
this. And in rugby, a brutal game played by tough guys, the ref's decision is accepted without question.
