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Round 21: Ferrari To Contest Title? (Flag-Gate)

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Delete Me, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    He's just gagging for a habanero sauce dipped parsnip!
     
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  2. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    I read Ferrari cant protest result after the FIA declared the result of the race, only Toro Rosso can since it was their incident. (Even though it isn't an incident)
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Aus 2009 proves that race results can be altered after results declared. I believe that any team can protest if they felt a decision was not made which affected them. But hopefully they won't.
     
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  4. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Anyway I'll tell you what I've had to tell about 4-5 people today, the stewards...... tell the marshals......what.........to do!


    From autosprint themselves: Vettel comes out then the "It" Seine under the yellow lights , where other images seem to show a commissioner who waves a green flag. Recall that , in case of conflict, the flags override the lights.


    Marshals > light system > Dashboard.


    So all Ferrari have (if they have protested) is that his dashboard was yellow?, no chance the systems was broken or glitching? No thoughts that maybe the reason why is because the dashboard still thinks it's in a yellow zone when it's not? Maybe the dashboard can only pick up the light system itself?

    This is why the drivers follow the marshals, they are spread around more than the light system is...

    The fact is a Marshal shown a green flag before Seb overtook anybody in that part is evidence enough that he stuck by the rules!
     
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  5. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    I still stand on the basis that no time penalty retrospectively can be given as it happened so early in the race, so 5 place grid penalty for the 2013 opener at worst!

    Am sure Vettel could live with that!
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    To be fair... the flag is about as obvious as your wit and charm. Easily missed. :p

    *drops a stink bomb... runs off*
     
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  7. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    And to be honest it's that! short of a yellow flag zone is because it's to make sure drivers can see cars coming out of the pit lane when they come shooting round to lapped cars who may have got caught up in lap 1-2 or something.

    It was to stop a massive pile up if somebody tried to overtake early out of that corner that's around the pitlane exit. After a certain distance away from the start of the pitlane exit, the green flag (at the next marshal post) is given as they would of had ample time to see any cars coming out of the pits that were possibly caught up in something early on.

    AKA: The pitlane was the actual hazard early on, the part after that was fine and the reason why the (marshals = There are about 4-5 at each post, another 4-6 spread out) were showing green.

    These guys don't just get invited to these events, they have to be trained to do this and if they're anything like the British Marshals, which they should be! for driver safety they know what they're doing 100%. They get trained for 3-4 years before they can do F1 and on all posts you have a Chief Marshal giving instructions to the others who has probably spent 10-20 years doing it to get that spot.

    I met a few marshals who were doing it since they were 14 and now 60+ they know the business and would make me look like a bigger prat with regards to Motorsport in general!
     
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  8. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    http://www.f1aldia.com/17509/ferrari-no-recurrira-triunfo-sebastian-vettel-fia/

    Nevertheless, according to the newspaper ABC on its website, the Italian team, on behalf of Luca Colajanni, has denied that they were considering recourse to the FIA to require a drive through penalty (or what is the same, 20-second penalty), which would have left Sebastian Vettel in eighth place, losing by one point the world in favor of Fernando Alonso . This leaves Ferrari denied such rumors validity, reaffirming the German pilot world, the third of its own.
     
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  9. Kyle?

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    this is Malaysia 1999 all over again. Didn't understand it as an 8 year old, still don't understand it now.
     
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  10. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Here's another one for you Forza, again the lap before from Yellow to Green, nothing changed the lap after either:

    [video=youtube;8um3nT59tbQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8um3nT59tbQ[/video]

    Seb gets green flag, bang! overtakes the Marussia. Same applied on lap 4 afterwards. They keep waving that green flag until the yellow flag behind is gone or something happens in their area.

    Trust me Forza, I've been a race marshal I know what I'm on about more than these journalists or Alonso fanboys raging with regard to flags and marshal sections.

    We had the same **** last season with Lewis speeding on yellows and marshals on track at India and I was right every time.

    I don't care what the yellow dashboard says, I don't care what the yellow sign at the top of the screen says, there was a green flag on both overtakes at that section and both of them were as legal as they come!
     
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  11. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Can we have all the Vettel/Flag/Penalty discussion in one place please? It's kinda taking over.
     
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  12. Delete Me

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    I'm done talking about it, but I don't know about Ferrari fans in general, they seem adamant to try and find something to give Seb a penalty every other day to gift Alonso the WDC. Sunday it was Kamui, Monday it was HRT, today is Vergne, got no ****ing clue what ****e they will bring up next which was legal...

    This could become the next Lewis vs Alonso 07 bitchfest.

    I TOLD YOU THIS WDC WOULD END ON A SOUR NOTE!
     
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  13. The Iceman

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    Yes, a seperate thread for this nonsense would be good. It's putting a damper on what was a mighty fine race.
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Naah... A sour note would have been Alonso punted off by an RBR. This doesn't count.
     
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  15. Max Whiplash

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    They were delicious with honey - all gone. My cats prefer charcuterie anyway, they're not daft.
     
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  16. EternalMSC

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    Is anyone even arguing against Silver?
     
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  18. EternalMSC

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  19. Kyle?

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    Let him have his fun.
     
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  20. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    tomtom appears to be on the other thread.............. aren't they both fans of erm, oh, what's he called? young german lad. shown some good promise recently. name escapes me for now.
     
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