Oppo fans including W.Ham yesterday, DO NOT use the word Yid to insult us, they use other words and noises...what part of that do you not get?
It's not that we don't agree with you it's that you rarely respond directly to a point made and always ignore them when they prove you wrong. It can then be left for a few days until you start on it again after the next incident. If you came on the board with some fresh points and a willingness to debate that'd be great but otherwise we'll just see you next anti-semitic incident for a reminder of what you think.
I've been involved in this thread for a while and I think I've raised some decent points of debate. I can understand the desire by some of you to jump on me for 'wumming' because I'm raising points that counter your own. But ultimately I think we're probably closer with our views that you'd like to think. I'm certainly not advocating that Spurs be banned from chanting Yid and of course I recognise the difference between Spurs use of the word and the behavior of West Ham fans last night, which was despicable. I just think that it's a contentious area, especially when there's no official 'Jewish' link to Spurs, more of a convenient link because of geography. And when as PH claims, Bona Fide Jews are complaining about the chants at WHL, then it muddies the waters further. I feel that the more noise is made about this issue, the more likely the FA are to simply try and ban it outright, regardless of the intent behind it.
Or, he'll make so much noise and with it provoke Spurs and the right wing element into making it into such a big issue that the FA and UEFA will simply outlaw any Semitic chanting, thereby achieving his aim albeit in a clumsy and fractious way.
As they're completely fictional, I really don't. By the way, I've spoken to prominent figures in the Buddhist community and they're offended at the use of a cannon in the Arsenal badge, as they're pacifists. I assume that you'll be removing it right away, won't you?
Now as I was saying, foolish is as foolish does, you really don't get it do you! I know people of African origin that who are unhappy about being referred to as black, now trot off and tell you buddy Herbert that and because of it he is a self serving, opportunist hypocrite who ought to get his own house in order. Oh, I have a friend that IS Jewish, he is also a barrister and a Spurs fan and he doesn't find the term Yid or Yiddo offensive, perhaps you might convey that to your mate too.
He's not my mate, but he does claim that there are Jews who are offended by it. So what do you do, ignore them because some don't ?
He "claims" yet provides no evidence to support that provocative statement. He is a member of the Society of Black Lawyers which is itself a racist, and racially discriminatory, body. His stance has done more to fuel the flames of racial tension that to defuse them. Fools, yes fools, like you are too foolish to realise that by participating in a debate about it makes you as culpable as him and all other racists, but you're a gooner so logic and rational debate is beyond you.
So by participating in this debate, you are also a fool. Great logic I would agree though that his stance has probably done more to fuel the flames of racial tension and he might just get his own way, not by diffusing it, but by making it such a problem that the authorities have to act.
The frustration some feel with you piskie is that you raise an issue and when it is answered you simply ignore the response. Some Jewish people find the Yiddo chants wrong/offensive....firstly other Jewish people do not find the Yiddo chants to be wrong or offensive - who speaks for the "Jewish Community" out of these two groups? How do you say the first arguement is right but the second is wrong? You have previously mentioned David Baddiel - as the person who was behind the campaign to stop the "Y" word and as a Jewish person against spurs fan chanting Yiddo - I and other have pointed out that Baddiel has mocked spurs players as looking Jewish as part of his "comedy" act on Fantasy Football...(see below) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvf9gDExvng This is just example So on one hand he can make fun of us for being a Jewish club for cheap comedy value but then claims we are being anti semitic by calling OURSELVES Yiddos and using the term in a positive way. In my world that makes him a 2 faced hypocrite who has nothing of value to add to this discussion. Why is this ok with him (and presumably with those who support him) to claim that we are being offensive when he can take the piss out of us for having Jewish mannerisms? The are real issues of racism in football and spurs fans calling OURSELVES Yiddo's is not the same as racist abuse being thrown at others. There may be a valid argument that the defensive reasons behind spurs fans using the term as a badge of pride are no longer valid (I'd suggest that yesterdays abuse by west ham showed that to be wrong) but Peter Herbert has not approached the issue like that. He has simply called us anti semetic and racist. The man has said nothing about the fact that some of Stephen Lawrances murders are still free (and it took 19 years to jail 2 of them) or about a police man being found not guilty of racism this month even though he admitted saying "the problem with you is that you are a ****** and always will be" (he was also recorded saying this) but he was aquitted after claiming he was just telling the man to respect himself. These are real issues of racism that leaves many of us to believe racism is not taken seriously by the law yet he comments on Spurs chanting "jermaine defoe he's a yiddo" because it's "anti semetic". You have avoided these valid comments and seem to simply keep repeating yourself...that's why people think you are wumming
My stance isn't about whether the term is or isn't offensive and, or, racist but is about the stupidity, ignorance and foolishness of people like him, and you, by continuing to draw attention to it. I realise that this might be hard for you but if you weren't continuing to post on this thread it would just drop off the page so please do us all a favour and go away and find another drum to bang away on; I'm sure it won't take someone like you long to do so.
As are the Quakers. In fact for a large section of society it is distasteful for a football team to celebrate coming from an arms store. If one person objects to the name Arsenal then the police will need to look into it. As with Sheffield Wednesday objected to by followers of Woden and the Friday Society. Or Liverpool objected too by Heart Doners and A.A. And Chelsea, what sea ask the Canal & River Authority. Not forgetting Queens Park Rangers which annoys The Forestry Commision. Blackpool of course need a name change, as does Blackburn but also Whitehaven an outrageous name for a place in a multicultural society. Then we Have Blackbush which is close to pornographic as is Hampton Wick. Barnet is offensive to the follicley challenged. Joe is looking into a claim against Dumbarton. Shall I go on?
I appreciate your response RCL and I know you're one of the more even handed posters on here I take on board the comments and believe it or not, I support most of what Spurs fans are saying. I'm not avoiding valid comments at all, I just think there's another side to the argument. I'm not particularly advocating from any angle, I just think the waters are a lot muddier than some would like to make out.
