Those 3rd world conditions paid for by billions in aid http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ga...QSplYH4Cw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=356#p=0
You lost me when you called Israel a free democratic country. Even the most nationalistic academics from the country recognise at best it is an extreme ethnocracy. At worst it is an institutionally racist apartheid state
I personally think its an evil Zionist plot to distract the Gazans from waging war against the Jew devil
Several questions come to mind about various parts of your post. This part is class Your bigoted and parochial stupidity needs no further elucidation from me
Bigoted and parochial stupidity is the name of the game. On both sides. Have a look back through this and similar threads and tell me the "freedom for Palestine" rent-a-cause lefties aren't the worst, by some distance.
Worst in what respect Archers. I would be happy with a one state solution with complete rights and integration for the native Palestinians. At the current moment that is completely unpalatable for the racist Israeli public. A two state solution seems to be the only way yet we have America threatening the UN if it dares to give them observer status and Israel promising dire consequences if the Palestinian authority pushes ahead, maybe they are afraid they won't be able to carry out their war crimes and crimes against humanity with the same level of impunity. Israel wants to continue with the status quo of subjugation and containment, which they have admitted is to keep the strip malnourished but alive, keep economy in ruins but just from the brink of collapse. I can't see how anyone advocating the end of such a situation can be described as being "the worst by some distance".
Completely correct Jackie. America are just far too powerful that countries like the UK feel the need to lick their rear which means our whole flawed foreign policy is based on them. Capitalism on steroids. America has over 1000 military bases worldwide.
There's nothing inaccurate about what I wrote. There has never been a sovereign, independent state of Palestine in history. However, since the Oslo Accords, the Arabs have had control over the vast majority of Judea and Samaria and since 2005 control over the entire Gaza Strip. You might also like to ponder why it is that these areas which were under Arab control from 1948 to 1967 never progressed one iota. And if you are still in a questioning frame of mind, perhaps you might also wonder why they never created a second Arab State in Palestine while these territories were under their direct control for 19 years.
I don't need to debate it, anyone with any sense can see it's a ridiculous comparison. Suffice to say if Israel was like Nazi Germany then there would be no Palestinians left to fight.
See the idiot who's posted right below you; "I blame the yanks/the brits/ the Israelis. For everything, without thinking about it." see also, the ****wits saying things like "Israel shouldn't exist". Israel has become something of a rogue state, and has moved further and further to the right over time, abandoning the idealism that accompanied it's inception. But there are historical reasons for this. Just look at the neighbours for ****s sake. There are often demands for Israel to return to her pre-1967 borders. This tends to ignore the fact that in 1967 her Arab neighbours tried to wipe Israel out completely. The israeli's have developed a siege mentality, because they have been under siege for years. As for the ill treatment of the displaced Palestinians, what have Syria, Jordan, Lebanon or Egypt ever done to assimilate or assist those people? absolutely **** all, is the answer.
Good post, AR, except to say that there is no such thing as the 1967 borders. There are the cease-fire lines (Green Lines) drawn-up in 1949 after the Israeli War of Independence, but these were never intended to be final international borders. Here's another excellent Editorial from the JP... Palestinian Reality No one with a clear grasp on the sad reality of a Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip could be fooled into believing that the recent cease-fire would last long. Even the speed with which Hamas was back to rearming itself for the next round of clashes with “the Zionist entity” was hardly surprising. Just days after the conclusion of Operation Pillar of Defense, the British Sunday Times reported that Israeli satellites had spotted a ship at the Iranian port of Bandar- Abbas loaded with long-range rockets and other military supplies purportedly bound for Gaza via Sudan. Slightly more surprising has been the response of the supposedly “moderate” Fatah, the party headed by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the single largest political party making up the PLO confederation. As Hamas continues to foster ties with the dangerous Shi’ite regime in Iran (senior Hamas figure Mahmoud al-Zahar bragged Saturday that Iran would increase military and economic aid to Gazan terrorist groups thanks to Hamas’s “victory” against Israel), Fatah has been working hard to demonstrate solidarity with Hamas. Last week, after the cease-fire was signed, thousands took to the streets in Gaza calling for unity between Fatah and Hamas. Nabil Sha’ath, the PA’s chief negotiator with Israel, visited Gaza City during Operation Pillar of Defense. “How glad I feel when yellow, green, red and black flags fly together,” Sha’ath told crowds, according to the Ma’an News Agency. Sha’ath was referring to the colors of Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. “We must all unite and work together,” he added. And Fatah’s support for Hamas is not just declarative. As reported by The Jerusalem Post’s Khaled Abu Toameh, several armed groups affiliated with Fatah that operate in the Gaza Strip bragged about firing rockets and missiles at Israel during Operation Pillar of Defense and about fighting side-by-side with Hamas. Abbas Zaki, a member of the Fatah Central Committee praised Hamas and Islamic Jihad for “deciding to die for the sake of the Gaza Strip.” Zaki added that Abbas was not against the “resistance” in Gaza. Meanwhile, Hamas has come out in support of Fatah’s bid to seek statehood recognition at the UN this week. At least that is the appearance the Fatah would like to make. Although Hamas sources in Gaza denied it, Wafa, the official news agency of Abbas’s government, reported that Hamas’s Gaza chief and Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh called Abbas to support the UN bid. Why would Fatah, ostensibly Israel’s most promising and reasonable negotiating partner on the Palestinian side, do its best to blur the differences between itself and Hamas? Because in the distorted reality of Palestinian politics, Hamas, an anti-Semitic, reactionary terrorist organization that tramples human rights, victimizes Gaza’s population and oppresses women and non- Muslims, is viewed as a hero by Palestinians because it continues to call for the destruction of Israel through any means – including suicide bombings and the use of its civilian population as human shields – while Fatah is considered a traitor and collaborator for agreeing – even in principle – to talk peace with Israel. This explains why – when Hamas and the Islamic Jihad fired rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv – hundreds of Palestinians living in Fatah-controlled places such as east Jerusalem, Ramallah, Nablus and Hebron took to the streets in signs of joy chanting “O Jews, the army of Muhammad is coming after you!” Until the Palestinian people decide to switch their energies from blind hatred for Israel and the West to self-advancement and self-determination; until Palestinian leaders give up violence and unilateral diplomacy and inspire their people with a vision of peace, prosperity and reconciliation – an end to the conflict will remain unattainable. Lives will continue to be needlessly lost in pointless military clashes. Foolish diplomatic quests leading nowhere will only push off further the day when Palestinians and Israelis can coexist in peace. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=293410
