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  1. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member
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    Nope. You're gonna make me quote the rules now aren't you?

    "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."

    So it has to be with excessive force and be endangering the safety of an opponent to be a red. Scholes' tackle in no way endangered the safety of his opponent - he had his eyes on the ball and deliberately spread his legs to avoid making contact with the QPR player until after his studs had gone past. Two footed makes no difference any more. Ergo, maximum penalty under the rules is a yellow card.
     
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    Yep and the refs have been interpreting that as two footed flying in equals a red.
     
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  3. Breakingbad14

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    It has got to put the opponent at risk. Otherwise it does not make sense. What if someone goes off the ground two foot, losing control and the nearest opponent was 5 yards away and not chance of being hurt? It can't be a red...<ok>
     
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    Nope. Individual refs have been interpreting it according to the rules - if it's dangerous it's a red, if not then it isn't. Ultimately it's all down to interpretation - some refs will think it's red and others won't depending on what they think is dangerous. A couple of examples you may remember support that argument:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16554740
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15144233

    Have you any recent examples of refs sending players off for two footed tackles where there was no risk of injury? The only one I can think of is Kompany on Nani, and remember that was Nani - he breaks in a stiff breeze.
     
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  5. Gerrinho

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    Fook me, if that wasn't a blatant play on the player I don't know what is! The rule swarbs quoted mentioned from behind or from the side...where did scholes come from? Did he get the ball or did he in fact clasp the QPR players legs taking him to ground? The game is being made to look a joke! How any fan, regardless of allegiance can look at that and claim it was a fair challenge is a mystery to me!
     
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  6. ITS_NOT_JUST_A_GAME

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    At Least Scholes goes in full blooded and isn`t a sneaky **** who strakes the back of their legs and stamps on them, (whilst not getting any cards), bit different when it`s a rival eh?
    Last week Suarez didn`t mean it.
     
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    The rule mentions from the front, behind or the side - there's no difference any more. As I said, the ref could have given a free kick, tho' Scholes played the ball and could have been argued to have been in control of the tackling leg given he played the ball before the man. Either way, under the rules it should not have been any more than a yellow if the ref believed it was a foul.
     
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    Liverpool benefitted from Suarez not being sent off for a blatant red card on Distin last time. Was the referee biased? <ok>
     
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  9. Gerrinho

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    That the best defence for the man who can't tackle for toffee?!
     
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  10. Gerrinho

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    So his eyes were constantly on the ball, did he win the ball?
     
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    He got the ball first it seems. <ok>
     
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    <ok>

    these same facts also show the same happens with Liverpool.

    Though delve deeper and you find that 2 clubs have a knack of ending refs careers. Chelsea and Liverpool <ok>
     
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  13. UnitedinRed

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    Not you then Terrif.
     
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  14. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

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    The Worst thing that could happen to United is TV footgage being used, all of a sudden officials would have to be virtually impartial, that would be disasterous for United
     
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    pile of **** thread
     
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    Yeh I think someone did that and turns out we would have 2 more titles.

    Whodathunkit
     
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    95% of the time , that tackle would be straight red
    4% of the time it would be yellow
    1% of the time nothing. That 1% only occurs when that player doing the tackle plays for Man U

    TWO FOOTED , SCISSOR TACKLE, CAPABLE OF TRAPPING ONE IF NOT BOTH LEGS IN BETWEEN SCHOLES LEGS causing a serious break.VERY DANGEROUS.

    Never mind its United as the song says they can do what they want
     
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  19. suarezlfc

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    To be fair, it doesn't look that bad on the gif. Especially for something that has come out of Scholes' locker...

    I've seen platers get sent off for those sort of challenges, usually because of the scissor action. The rules are rarely enforced 100% by referees anyway. A lot of the time they just go by what the tackle looked like/the opposition players' reaction, rather than taking into account the actual contact/whether the ball was won or not.

    If Scholes' trailing leg doesn't come through, that's a good tackle. I'd have given a yellow for the slight follow through, though.
     
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  20. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

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    If a woman had a c*ck shed be a bloke.

    Oh so its Scholes and hes sh*te at tackling so the rules dont apply to him. <laugh>
     
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