1:And it is the players who voted for Izaguerre, maybe they did vote for him because he played for Celtic, if that was the case then I would have expected ONLY OF players in the final 4? 2: It's not about "Telling Impact" or MVP, its Player's Player of the year. 3: The Managers don't vote for Manager of the Year, the press do so the comparison with PPOTY is moot. 4: See Point 3
Whilst I understand what you're saying I'm not sure that's always true. If it were so easy to look good at Celtic then presumably all the players we bought from other SPL teams would perform better than they did at their previous clubs (given that they would be surrounded by 'better' players)? That's simply not the case, more than a few have looked like hopeless donkeys. It's as fair to say that a good player can easily stand out if surrounded by mediocrity. That's true of pretty much anyone coming into the SPL - how many 'top class' SPL players have left scotland and go on to look even better at a higher level? Not many.
Please dont confuse me with Killie 61 I am his better looking long lost second kissing cousin twice removed after all we are all related in A&rshire I didnt post " he doesnt make defence splitting passes like Losa can" You then talk about not making claims as to a specific number of assists/passes as part of your post but post up a link to a website that does ...............curious I am biased like you towards my own team always will be.I saw our defeat to rankers in the cup as common assault on Eremenko to stop us playing, the rankers media as good strong play.You probably saw the defeat to Porto in the Europa cup as cheating Portuguesers I saw that as naievity on ceptics part.Que sera sera Devil it is indeed possible that a spin doctor got into the St Mirren training ground......and DING!!!!!!.........thats your lightbulb moment and the crux of my argument, which other likeminded posters on this thread FAIL to see Gentlemen we wont agree and Izze did indeed win the POTY.... fact.I dont have to nor do I like it and my reasons I've made clear.You either accept and digest that or you dont.Its all about the banter.
1. The issue here is that there were only a couple of Celtic players worth voting for - Izaguerre & Hooper - so those players who wanted to vote for a Celtic player were limited in choice. Rangers supporting players had even less of an option!!!!! This means that any player with half a brain i.e. the foreigners, will have made their judgement based on ability/impact etc., which is what should have happened. 2. Surely the players should be choosing the best player i.e,. the one who has made the most impact. If not what are they voting for then? Someone from their favourite team? 3. I know it is the press who voted for the Manager of the Year in the example I gave - the press generally are as bad as the players, in that they usually vote for someone from the old firm. I was using this as an example of how biased, parochial, short-sighted so many people in Scotland are when it comes to football, whether that be press, players or the media. And old firms fans wonder why we diddy clubs detest everything about them? 4. Raith Rovers' John McGlynn has been named manager of the year by his peers in the PFA Scotland awards. i.e. NOT THE PRESS.
im certainly not related to any soap dodgers from Killie but im from the capital of the shire, the only good bit
if its only old firm players that win these things why did David Goodwillie win young player of the year? surely there was some old firm candidates in that as well? Gary Hooper? genuinely don't know who was in that category but im presuming Hooper would have been?
Oh ffs. Even if it wasn't you who mentioned the defence splitting passes, it WAS you who first decided it was fair to compare the performances of Izaguirre and Eremenko by who creates a higher proportion of their teams' goals. I repeat that's a fatuous argument, akin to me using the relative tackling ability of the two players to 'demonstrate' who was 'better'. As for my link to the website, that was merely to show that even if you compare players who play in similar positions (and I've used the specific example 3 times now of Weiss NOT Izaguirre), 'assists' or goals scored are not necessarily the most accurate indicator of how a player has performed over an entire season. It's just petty to say Izaguirre only won because he plays for Celtic. As recognised by his peers, he's a great player and I believe that he'll go on to play at a higher level than the SPL. And as for OF bias, how come, as mentioned above, Goodwillie won young player of the year and not eg Hooper (who plays in the same position and has scored more goals in fewer games)? Or even more pertinently how come YOUR manager, Paatalainen, has just been announced as manager of the year http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13276231.stm ? I suppose I could be like you in reverse and say something along the lines of it's clearly just a sympathy vote for one of the diddy teams, after all our manager has taken a team that was on its arse (being humped 4-0 by St Mirren, out the cup to Ross County) to both domestic finals and kept them in pole position for the league title. But I don't believe that because I can accept that Mixu did very well with limited resources and I admire the way he got your team playing.
Oh FFS as well admiral.I NEVER stated/posted/wrote/said Izze ONLY won it because he plays for ceptic, where in my 5 previous posts did I say that?? Lets get that fact right at least and stop confusing me with my evil twin who apparently doesnt stay in Gods county ( Kilmarnockshire) Killie61 at least tell me you were hand reared here by nymphs and suckled by amazon women like the rest of us. I REPEAT Izze won the POTY fair and square, did the the fact that he plays for an in firm team help .......yes, could the rag tops have aided and abetted ......................yes did his agent do his job and get him more publicity .............probably is all of the above fair and been done before and will be done again in the future.....yes But I still dont have to like or agree with it and remember I posted this on my own teams site not globally and you chose to comment so you will have to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous footie fans that dont support the glory hunted bigot brothers .But at least your comments and Devs got a discussion going we are more used to the drivel that the greenhanky posts
It was me who stated / posted / wrote that Izzie only won it because he plays for Celtic - AND HE DID. The players are as thick as sh1te. At least those voting for last night's awards saw beyond the gruesome twosome. He had some game tonight by the way. I am still laughing after watching Green teeth suffering all of the 2nd half - you just cannot buy moments like that - priceless. And before anyone accuses me of favouring one or the other I want Killie to beat both of them in the next 2 weeks, as I hope Hearts do and Dundee Utd beat Rangers and Motherwell beat Celtic. And Bonbon of course I was hand reared here in Kilmarnockshire by nymphs and suckled by amazon women like the rest of us - for 6 months!!!
Read my original post - "Most of the professional footballers will vote for one of the in firm as they most likely support either of them" It was the players I was criticising. Last night's vote was not based on footballers votes.
Regardless of whether you said the 'only reason' etc etc the basis for your argument (and that of Killie61) still rests on the 'fact' that Izzy came above Eremenko not on merit but because he plays for Celtic. Which simply appears bitter. As are your tedious comments about 'glory hunted bigot brothers' etc. And the fact that a non-OF player was voted by his fellow pros as YPOTY (for the second year in a row) shows that players are perfectly capable of voting on merit rather than due to club allegiances. If you wished to make a case for Eremenko, then we could've agreed to disagree, after all no one opinion is 'correct'. But you (and others) took it down the boring old 'bias towards the OF' route.
When you get the old firm garbage rammed down your throat evey day of the week, every week of the year then there is an inherent bias towards them from all forms of the media in Scotland, so people like me who are sick fed up of it perhaps resort to the "boring old route of bias to the OF" and I will not apologise for it. And sadly I think this is reflected in the voting as the players are generally too thick to think outside of the box - as you say let's agree to disagree on this issue. If Rangers and Celtic fans were a bit more magnamimous and not so bitter when they lose Scottish football would be far stronger and people like me wouldn't be so anti-old firm. When we are treated with contempt or in a patronising way repeatedly then you can see why we dislike you both so much and think the way we do. Finally, in answer to your original point I still believe Izzaguerre only got it because of who he plays with. I have seen him on numerous occasions and to be honest I don't see anything special in him at all. IMO he is actually not particularly great at defending, which is his primary role. It would have been nice if the players had thought outside the box for once. Sadly the journalists showed their true colours as well.
Funny you should pop up, I have seen Eremenko twice now against Celtic and he was invisible. Someone said he was like Lubo, he looks as if he ate Lubo. Slow as a week in jail and all I witnessed was a propensity towards diving and rolling. He had a bit af skill but I was not overly impressed.
McCourt's not a bad comparison actually. Skillful players capable of occasional brilliance, equally capable of being entirely ineffective = benchwarmers at bigger clubs.
