Beefy's corner- the place for off topic stuff

What i wrote about magazine titles is a fact - they are often written in 'popular' fashion to appeal to a certain readership, and not spelt correctly as per English dictionary. This isnt an issue but i am pointing out that what i wrote is a fact. You can doubt all you like but i dont require another kid on his keyboard to tell me to wise up. I am plenty wise enough thank you - it is just that i diagree with a few of you pc-blurting little twerps on here who are keen to hurl abuse in my direction.
It would be interesting to put the original basis of this discussion to the 3000 of us who will be in the Saints end at Loftus Road on Sat and see who the majority support ! ( i.e. Do they agree with the the Sunderland players decision to not wear the Remembrance Day shirt )

 

English dictionaries contain both sceptic and skeptic, and it's not "correctly", it's "standard". You accept that the magazine chose to use the "k" spelling to appeal to people due to its regular usage meaning you accept that "skeptic" is a regular spelling of the word, as such it has its place in the English language -should you disagree with this, then you're suggesting language should be used in the exact same way it was hundreds of years ago, denying language evolution. You're really grasping at the thinnest straws to try to prove a point against Joe - when you argument currently revolves around the spelling of "skeptic" or "sceptic", and you're arguing it badly, you know you should probably give up.

 

Are we sure this guy isn't gomarchingin? He's got just as much argument skill.

 

You say that you are 12 years old, which is borne out by the garbage you write here - adults should not correspond with children on the internet so run along little fella.

 

Says it all, doesn't it?

 

Firstly, I will not be hurling abuse at you and respect your right to an opinion but I feel that your views are generally parochial and usually only from a 'British' perspective (please don't be offended!) The decision to not wear a poppy was a personal freedom of choice and there could be many reasons why James McClean felt that he could not wear one. As I've previously quoted, he was born and brought up in a Catholic estate, a few streets away from where the Bloody Sunday Massacre occured and his family probably knew some of the victims of that tragic event. It is far too easy to level criticism at him by saying, " Well he is earning our money, he should follow every single British custom", if you were working in Ireland you wouldn't be expected to attend Sunday mass (unless of course you ARE a Catholic!).

 

Also, if anyone wants to take the ball on the use of the American word "garbage" feel free.

 

Thanks for the decent reply - i appreciate that. I can see your point of view on this and thats fine. This debate started when a poster called Aberdeen Saint's opinion on it moronic and i posted that i agreed with Aberdeen Saint. I then received various posts from the usual suspects esp Steinberg, who appear to live in a different world to me regarding their outlook on life. I dont agree with them but i dont need their pc ideas shoved down my throat - we have enough of this rubbish ( not garbage ! ) shoved down our throats via the media on a daily basis these days as it is. I dont need it on a Saints supporters forum as well. This degenerates into a few posters having a go at me and me defending myself. The issue of the spelling of sceptic is admitedly daft but i just wondered why Steinberg was having a go at me using this very American spelling and if so was he a foreigner lecturing me about issues in my own country.
Anyway my opinions are mine and yours are yours, and i respect you for that.

 

As a side issue, the English language is enriched by the addition of foreign words with a slightly different meaning. Garbage, whilst not a foreign word is used more often in the USA, is a stronger word than rubbish when used in England. If I said someone was talking rubbish, it would be milder than if I said they were talking garbage. I welcome the use of foreign words as it keeps our language the richest (in sheer word numbers) in the world.

 

I wasn't arguing whether it was correct to use it, I was just making the point that it's on the same level of acceptability as "skeptic" is.

 

Wasn't really replying to anyone, just having one of my little musings Looked it up and garbage is middle english for chicken entrails...bet not a lot of us knew that!

 

Wow, an entire argument stemming from whether it's skeptic or sceptic, that's ridiculous. Does it matter what people use, as long as you know what they mean? Personally, I think the first way looks better and I don't mind using Americanism if I feel they're better than the English equivalent (for example, I would always say civilization over civilisation, the latter looks atrocious)

Also, I think Mr. Nice is older than 12, something he said a while back (can't remember what it was) made me think he's a few years older than.... Though I could be wrong.

 

It's a new fad on forums that all spelling must be correct for your opinions to mean anything.

 

I think the use of American spellings by an English person can be regarded as an affectation, but have to say that when I was at school in the 50/60s some words spelt with a 'z' were altered to an 's', so am happy to see civilization, realize etc although I would spell with an 's'. I always assumed that someone spelling these words with a 'z' was showing their age

 

A mountain chicken is actually a species of frog

 

Americanisms annoy the hell out of me - my 9 year old step daughter keeps saying gas instead of petrol, despite my constant corrections. I blame the influence of American shows on TV myself but I recognise that in an increasingly global world all major languages are likely to be influenced and take influence from others.

 

Many Americanisms annoy me as well, but its just that its different to what i was brought up with. I work in an international industry and there are many Americanisms used especially from the oil industry, but on British ships we do try and keep it traditional where possible. I know that we are fighting a lost cause with the younger generation as they are brainwashed by tv and the plethora of computer games that they seem to spend most of their lives playing + the teaching methods in many schools these days. My query about the spelling of sceptic in this thread was for reasons explained previously. I try to stick to traditional English spellings where possible.

 

Similarly a twerp is a pregnant gold fish......

 

One of my favourite 'americanisms' is their use of the word 'Fanny'

Goodness know's what they made of Mrs Slocombe's Pussy!

 

In all honesty the English Language changes from year to year. It is not uncommon for slang words to be added into the mainstream language. It then somehow becomes part of the English language.
With such a vast population it is inevitable that the American colloquialisms is going to be also added over time.
This should not be a problem for us Brits as it is still the "English" Language.
I got into quite a heated argument on July the 4th this year while in North Carolina, with an American as he insisted he spoke American. Although it was not me that started it, it was other Americans.
You will be pleased to know no doubt that I gave him quite a history lesson including about his own constitution and naturally about the pilgrim fathers. The Americans are good at claiming that they were the instigators and inventors of a lot of things, but they were not going to get away with claiming our English Language. I have to say though it was surprising the number of Americans on this occasion that did not know of the significance of the pilgrim fathers. Nor did they realise that George Washington was English.
Of course it was July the 4th when every one Marched around with the American flag in their little parades. So we naturally joined in with our own union Jack!!! All took it in good humour though until that is the above idiot tried to claim our language ......