O/T James McClean rfuses to wear poppy.

It appears I couldn't give a ****.

 

you clearly gave enough of one to open your gob though.

 

I couldn't give a **** what the idiots on here think, if you don't think its disrespectful for somebody to not wear a poppy that is printed on a shirt, he didn't have to make any effort what-so-ever to even donate or buy a poppy then you're an idiot.

 

To be honest, I wouldn't wear something to respect the people who massacred innocent people where I grew up. Should he have nothing to do with Bloody Sunday, then yes, it would have been disrespectful but there is a clear motive behind him doing it.

 

if you'd been arsed to read any of the thread you'd know that the player isn't british and had ancestors killed by british forces in ireland in the past. if something like that had happened in my family past, i'd think twice about wearing a poppy.

i realise that blinkered fools like you don't take into account anything like facts or other people's opinions and beliefs before spouting out your rabid worthless opinions. but i don't expect decent standards from everyone and you are one of thnse we won't get any from. but it's no loss at all.

if you value respect above freedom of thought, freedom of choice, freedom of conscience, freedom of belief, and all those other freedoms that were exactly what all those armed forces members were fighting for then YOU are the idiot.

 

Whoooooooooooooooooossssshhhh!

 

If it was boot on the other foot and say some of my relatives had been killed by the Irish I'd be ****ed if I'd go and live there.

If he has such strong views then why is he working and living in the country of his 'ancestors' murderers and oppressors?

Just saying like.

 

It's a good point, but then again you could say that he's basically doing his job and it happens that Sunderland are in this Country. I suppose he probably holds grudges just against the British Forces in General rather than the Country as a whole.

 

Well he'd be bucking the trend of the Northern Irish Catholics I've met.

Do you think any of his family or indeed McLean himself have ever sung 'rebel' songs?

They generally depict a hatred of the British as a whole.

I may be way off the mark and he may love us English but I'd suggest not.

He's a hypocrite in my eyes and is principles are worth **** all.

 

whoooooooooooooooooooooooossssshhh?

 

Aye. whoosh.

 

well, if you don't understand, get one of your friends or an adult to explain it.

 

interesting that you are using the message board then, but hypocritical of you to bother ladening us with your opinions when you've no respect (oh it's that word again) for or interest in anyone else's.

 

When I was 19/20, I was sitting in a pub on Baltimore harbour, County Cork, waiting for a mate to arrive. As I supped my Guinness, an old fellow asked me where I was from. I told him I was English, and he just shrugged...
I asked him if the Irish had strong feelings about the British. He told me a story as an answer.

As a young man, his son had driven a lorry from Baltimore to Cork (in 1921). While he was in Cork, the Fenians had ambushed the Black and Tans ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans ) ( http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/black_and_tans.htm ) (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lling-story-of-the-black-and-tans-475005.html ) on the road. When his son was returning, he was stopped at a roadblock, tied to the bumper of the truck, and driven home, dragged along the road. "I buried what was left of him" was how he ended the story.

I felt like a right twat.

How can you support a government and an army that inflicts such cruelty and injustice on a subject nation? And how can you criticize an Irishman for declining to 'celebrate' the 'glory' of the British dead?

 

I think the answer to the first question is "by not thinking too hard".

Most of the quasi-fascists on here arguing for versions of enforced poppy-wearing rely on two arguments: its disrespectful to us English, and moral relativism is okay when discussing the patchy history of the British Armed Forces. They qualify this by grunting "if you don't like it here **** off back to Ireland". Typical knee-jerk jingoism. Plus its a Daily Mail article, so who the **** cares really...

This whole thread is like watching a line of people bashing their heads against a wall.

 

yep.

 

What a crock of ****.

 

Spoken by an ex-khaki khunt?

 

Aah fookit - what a pointless thread this is.

Grow up, wise up, think and stop swallowing the **** that's handed out....