Beefy's corner- the place for off topic stuff

FA ruling on Clattenburg is expected this afternoon. This is going to be a case of he said/you said. I bet the FA will have no clear evidence and produce some wishy/washy verdict that will damn Clattenburg for ever. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I don't think they will side with a referee against a black player (even though that player heard nothing, apart from via a third party). They have been accused of doing little in recent cases and Clattenburg is going to be the fall guy. I don't believe the ref said anything, I think he was misheard, but he will be reprimanded and end up resigning on principle.

 

Let's see Fran. The FA gets a lot of criticism and not much credit but they do have a fairly clear disciplinary procedure which is important. Ref boss Mike Riley publically backed Mark last week and assuming he comes out all clear I am sure we will see him back on the pitch soon. He is certainly considered one of the top refs at FA Headquarters and refereed the Olympic Final at Wembley.

 

You don't sound smart enough to stay on, if you ask me. Apart from ignoring a key rule of negotiation - have some bargaining power/something to bargain with; for example, be absolutely necessary to this forum - is ten days really worth arguing about? Considering you're risking a lifetime ban by creating new profiles every five minutes, it seems like you're more interested in needlessly pushing the boundaries anyway.

 

How am i not surprised at your viewpoint on this Joe ! ? Well thats your problem - i like many others do wear a poppy as a mark of rememberance. Foreigners should show more respect for our customs - thats half the problem, we let all these sods in and they walk all over us because of soft do-gooders with your point of view. When i am in other countries i respect their way of life. Of course the majority makes it right - the vast majority of decent people in this country v a few loony lefties with you & the PTF's point of view ! Get real lad.

 

Goodness me i hope that your are mistaken Fran ! However it would never surprise me knowing how wet and flipping silly these issues have gotten to be in this country. Lets wait and see.

 

That's one of the funniest things I've seen on this forum, you cannot be serious! I believe you were one of those defending GMI and others' right to hold different views from the majority of people on the board (forgive me if I'm wrong on that). Well the same thing applies in society as a whole, doesn't it? The people commemorated by wearing the poppy actually gave their lives to defend the right to be different, not so we could live in a totalitarian state where everyone has the same right (or left) wing views.

 

dman, I don't think it's healthy to suggest that people should automatically follow a custom without question, regardless of where they are born. Yes, you should obviously respect people's customs (unless they are based on prejudice or discrimination), but that doesn't mean you should be obliged to participate.

 

So if you're in Spain, for instance, do you sleep after lunch out of respect to their customs? If you're in Turkey, do you stop what you're doing and pray to Allah four times a day?

Thanks for the laughs mate.

 

Doesnt seem funny to me. This debate came about because one of these guys said that what Aberdeen Saint was saying about the Irishman at Sunderland was a moronic argument and i was stating that i agreed with him wholeheartedly, much as i believe the majority of people in the country do.
I am not saying that the left shouldnt have their view, of course they should - but they like to jump on a reasonable majority-based opinion such as that passed by AS and call it moronic. I have had similar debates with Joe and PTF on socialist leftie ideals, which are not the same as mine nor many others i suspect. If you have similar views as these guys then no doubt i wouldnt agree with you either. But its not the end of the world !

 

Grr, ****ing political correctness, wet lefties, foreigners stealing our jobs, respect the flag, etc. etc.

 

I don't see what's "leftie" about saying that people should be able to follow customs as they please.

 

Remembrance Sunday and the poppy in no way glorify war, but are a mark of respect and remembrance for all who have lost their lives in conflict, no matter what "side" they were on. Falkland veterans remember both the argentinians, and their own comrades who fell during that war, and the same should be true of any conflict in Ireland. Many innocent people of all religious beliefs died in Ireland through attrocities on both sides, but that is what happens in wars. The poppy is a symbol that takes no sides, prefers no creed religion or colour, but encourages us all to simply remember those who have fallen.

It is a pathetic "gesture" to refuse to wear a poppy. people should respect the country where they are a guest. I visited the wailing wall in Jerusalem a few years ago, and Jewish custom required me to cover my head, so I did. In egypt, it is considered very rude to talk to married women uninvited, so guess what, I didn't. When entering a church I remove any hat I might be wearing. It would be my "human right" to refuse to do any of these things, but common decency, and respect for others makes me do what is expected. There are stands that need to be taken, like when someone makes a racist comment, but this looks like petty behaviour to me.

 

You can laugh all you like - i have no respect for your sarcasm thats for sure. I work in lots of other countries and do respect their various customs. I wonder what your worldly experience is really like apart from fine words on an internet forum.

 

Seeing as there's a lot of interest for American Football here, let me propose a question for you?

Rugby or American Football?

For me, it's American Football all the way. Rugby's just a far ****ter version of American Football.

 

Left = liberal = advocating freedoms.

 

That's a shame because sarcasm is something that gives me a lot of joy. So you do siesta in Spain and pray to Allah in Turkey? Is that what you're saying? Or are you just ducking the question?

And yes, I will continue to laugh. Thanks for the permission.

 

Then you are welcome to your opinion.
I am of the opinion however that an Irish footballer earning a good salary in the English football league should have no problems wearing a poppy on his shirt along with all the other players ( including lots of other Irish players ) in the league as a mark of respect for the fallen on all sides in many conflicts.
This is not a moronic opinion - which is what i am debating with these other posters.

 

That assumes that liberal = left. And there's a whole new arguement we could have there! But as we'd probably agree on it, I don't think it's worth having. http://www.politicalcompass.org/index is worth looking at for more on this.

 

It's your right to disagree with him, but not to enforce your views on other people. As has been said already, that's what those soldiers fought for if I'm not mistaken.

And bringing up human rights disaster zones like Egypt and Israel doesn't exactly help your case. You did those things out of courtesy perhaps, but also because you would not have been able to visit those places if you didn't. Britain is (largely) not like that thankfully.

Also, McClean is not a guest in this country, as a native of Northern Ireland, he's a British citizen.

Not really, communist Russia or China for example weren't mad about personal freedom, but that's another argument

dman, I can't believe I have to tell you this again; the majority of people do not think like you.

 

American Football on the basis that I actually understand it more than Rugby. That said, I will watch the odd game because let's face it, the Irish are actually half decent at it...