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James McClean refusing to wear poppy on shirt

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  1. jimmythesaint

    jimmythesaint New Member

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    Rebelbhoy

    In fairness McGuinness and Adams have always been reticent about their past, a bit like my statements concerning them and you not even acknowledging them.
    He of course does not need to or is required to wear a poppy, intact it's overdone nowadays but now there is no comment on the subject it creates far more questions than answers.
     
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  2. Mick O'Toon

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    Nice looks like Rio Ferdinand had a point afterall!!!
     
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  3. HorsleyHillCat

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    He didn't wear a poppy because he doesn't have to, that's why our servicemen & women, our civilians gave their lives for, so we could all have that choice!
     
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  4. Schwerer Gustav

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    Its a fair point shieldscat, it has been made many times already on this thread - just in case you wonder why you may not get the response you anticipate.
     
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  5. HorsleyHillCat

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    Not looking for a response, just trying to remind everyone the reason behind the poppy
     
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  6. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    We also have the choice to criticise him for that decision though. Something which seems to be forgotten.
     
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    Same here mate and I could go deep and provide all sorts of information on a thread about them. Bent and corrupt bastards the ****ing lot of them <ok>
     
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  8. bonnybobbypark

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    I haven't read much re this article, but I presume many have said it's his choice, many have said he should have worn the poppy. One question (again apologies if this has been covered already).

    Did he observe the silence? I reckon he must have.

    He is - in my opinion though - a typical young footballer with more money than sense.

    But (and I'm rambling I know), perhaps the fact he can make that choice is a good thing. Whatever his politics, he should be grateful to have the ability to choose.

    Sorry if this has already been said.

    x
     
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  9. Schwerer Gustav

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    I know a couple and tbh you are not wrong, in this instance.<ok>
     
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  10. MrRAWhite

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    After reading some of the polarized views portrayed on this thread, I wasn't going to pass comment on it because I thought I would be wasting my time and energy. However, after giving it some serious consideration I thought I would give my opinions on the matter.
    First of all, you have to give consideration to Mcleans roots, and how in the fiercely divided community he was raised in, the symbol of the poppy is portrayed very differently to what it is in other parts of the UK, and by wearing it he may feel that he would be ostracised by friends and family.
    Secondly, since when has the wearing of the poppy become compulsory? Surely by condemning the lad for choosing not to wear this, is defeating the object of the freedom of choice that the military personnel have fought and died for.
    Thirdly, I, along with millions of others in the UK, wore my poppy with pride today, as I will tonight when I share a few beers with friends who have served in the armed forces, but I would dread the day when I thought I was being forced or coerced to do so.
     
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  11. Bumblebore

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    well said
     
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  12. Billy Death

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    I know Commo, I'm sorry.
     
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  13. Mick

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    I don't think it's a case of being ostracised - the boy doesn't want to participate in a voluntary gesture and he's probably got fair reason to hold such opinions - the Prime Minister had to apologise last year for the army's actions in his home town - it's pretty fair that someone from that town chooses not to participate in honouring that army - as long as his intentions were not simply to piss people off for the sake of it.

    What I may remind some people also, is that coming from Derry he is a citizen of the United Kingdom, just the same as anyone from the north of England is - his views may be different from the majority in the north of England but they are common in the place he came from, and he has every right to hold them. I say this in response to the people who seem to think that he has a duty to abide by local tradition when plying his trade in this particular part of the United Kingdom - I doubt any of the locals would stipulate that you must honour the dead rebels of Derry if a British person was so inclined to go live there - and if they did they would be wrong.
     
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    My uncle quit the force because he couldn't go along with their bullying and corrupt ways, now I don't believe they're ALL like that but it's certain;y rife and I don't buy into the whole "respect police for the job they do keeping us safe" bollocks.
     
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    So you shouldn't mate, I am currently being royally ****ed over off the bent, horrible twats.
     
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  16. Schwerer Gustav

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    SAFC83 - go to the media(not Newsnight!!) - they are very receptive over complaints regarding the police.

    Also, the police are regulated and if voicing a complaint leads to you feeling victimised then I would certainly bring it to the attention of your Member of Parliament.

    Apologies if I'm stating the bleeding obvious.

    Good luck.
     
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  17. Niall 34

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    Did you wear a poppy
     
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    I will be open and honest mate, I got bust on Friday 2nd October. Searched the house and found nothing but a carbon filter, in its unopened box, in my bedroom. That is all.

    They came down to the sittenroom where my lass and bairn still were and at this point the officer asked me if I was cultivating, I told him definitely not and to check every room and he would see no signs of any alterations to any room. At that point, the ****ing knob head asked me if I was sure, I told him "of course". He then put it to me that if I wasn't going to make it easy and admit to it then my girlfriend was also going to be arrested with me and the bairn would be taking away. What chance did I have? What sort of man would put his girlfriend and child in that position?

    I was then coerced into saying I had previously grew a few plants but didn't currently have any at the current time. Bastards!
     
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  19. davisito

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    This is about respect..not about having right to choose. He should respect the country, people, history and traditions of the place of his employment instead of pursuing is negative bigotted agenda. He should be booed across england.
    thanks
     
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  20. Schwerer Gustav

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    Is it going to the magistrates or do they want you take the caution(so they get a browny point with no risk of their tactics getting in to court).

    They know what there doing and its immoral.

    I once got put in the back of a police van for assaulting a police officer and I was the one picking him up off the ground after he had been bundled over whilst trying to arrest someone else, luckily the patrol room was monitoring the incident on CCTV and I was free to go.

    That was the end for me - he was bristling to do me for something and to this day I do not know why.
     
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