James McClean refusing to wear poppy on shirt

I am not suggesting for one second that innocents occasionally lose their lives but when the perpetrators lie about it and continue to this very day to lie about it then that changes things a little. That is what we have here. Not to mention the countless other lies told across the north of Ireland (Ballymurphy, Aiden McAnespie to name but two). It is incomprehensible to me to see this outrage at a perfectly rational and understandable decision.

 

So Amsterdam Roger thinks he knows better than the most comprehensive Inquiry in the history of the British Justice system.
That is about as likely as me hitting the sun with a snowball.

Ignorant fools like you are the reason James McClean was right.

PS> Learn the difference between "your" and "you're" before you start calling people thick. Ok little man

 

The did not fight so a kid in Derry could be free to earn thousands of pounds. Get that notion out of your head. The British army stopped the people of Derry from marching to achieve Civil Rights in the North of Ireland. They shot innocent people. Whether they were scared, intimidated or whatever, they lied to the Widgery Tribunal and they Lied to the Saville Tribunal and they continue to lie. Forty years of lies over their actions. That deserves no respect.

I know point you making and no one doubts the great sacrifices made by Brittish Soldiers during both World Wars but surely you can understand what a young man who has first hand experience of Brittish Army in his neighbourhood on his Island while growing up and how they treated his people and see why this young man may not want to honour the modern day Army?

 

I accept that. In this instance they were reckless and opened fire on innocent civilians and lied about it.

In Ballymurphy there was and probably will be no inquiry. They lied about it.

With Aiden McAnespie they shot him in the back and lied about it and the army excuse was deemed the "least likely course of events" by the historical enquiries team.

Repeat that story and collusion with loyalist paramilitaries and you have to at least entertain the notion that James McClean has a point.

 

The money raised from the campaign goes to the convalescence of the modern day army. The same army that marched the streets of Derry and impinged on his way of life. Maybe the soldier who shot Annette McGavigan aged 14 or perhaps the one who killed Manus Deery aged 15 both murdered by British rifle fire on the streets of Derry. You cannot separate these killers from the rest of them who may have served with distinction and you cannot ask James MCClean to draw that distinction if he doesn't want to.

What cake is that? Were you not the one not wishing to introduce politics into this? Who said he hates the Queen? Quite simply he does not wish to honour those that murdered innocent people on the streets of his city. I know it is an overtly political symbol. People on here have spent a lot of time pretending that it isn't. i'm afraid this of yours comment betrays that.

 

I would assume that to be true. Presently Sinn Fein are calling for it to be put to the vote. The Unionist parties are resisting. The foundation of the State of "Northern Ireland" was gerrymandered to ensure your premise held true.

To the Nationalist population of the North of Ireland, what difference Hitler or Britain? The British state denied them rights afforded to the rest of its citizens. As brutal and horrible as Hitler was, so was British rule in Ireland. Swapping one dictator for another. On the notion of every soldier doing their duty, they failed in that regard on Bloody Sunday in Derry and they disobeyed orders and have spent the last 40 years lying about it. This is documented in the Saville Inquiry. This lie became the official line through the Widgery report that blackened the name of the people killed.

Undoubtedly a worthy achievement. However when British jackboots are marching up your street and shooting your friends and neighbours it is a little hard to reconcile that.

Yes, my problem is fundamentally with the people at the top of the chain. In this instance, the people at the bottom of the chain affected a brutal massacre on the people of Derry. Expecting James McClean to excuse that is asking too much whilst there remains no justice.