Well ok then, nee bother. Nee ****er's as negative as me mind, the total pessimist I am. I find it saves me a lot of disappointment as I'm well used to knock backs & disappointments, Christ, I've followed Sunderland since I was 9 & I'm fowerty ****ing six nearly. It's easy to laugh at someone who goes against the mainstay flow, I do however remember you coming back on here as Charlie Hurley stating you'd felt bullied in the past. If you remember we had a long discussion about it & we welcomed you back. I may well not have that exact mind Disco so feel free to correct me. I do have a lot of time for you by the way, .
Welcomed me back? Not sure what you're referring to? I never said I was bullied. I said Cest was overbearing and bullying someone and I gave him **** for it. I never said I was bullied. It's got **** all to do with going against the flow. A'Rebours is my favourite book, I love going against the flow. I don't like prejudice. Whether it's against jews, black people, women et al.
Like I said, nee bother. This is what I was on about, was a while ago mind & ok, I remembered it wrong. . http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/108970-Not-606
An afterlife was invented to give uneducated people with no everyday life, living from hand to mouth, so they would actually have something to look forward to. (Even if it was death.) Then people formed religions to control the masses and extract money or goods out of them. Strange how every religions leaders, live in opulence and surrounded in luxury from the very beginning of time. Even today it's the same, if they were so concerned about the worlds starving and dying masses, why don't they give up all their wealth and save them? Religion is all about control, knowing that people want there to be something more than what they have or had. It was more valid at the time that great book of fiction The Bible was written, as what they said couldn't be disproved. (Lets not forget it was edited by powerful heads of the church, adding bits they wanted and taking out the bits they didn't.) Even today people use it as a crutch. "Never mind little Christian six year old child riddled with cancer, screaming in agony, dying in excruciating pain. Have a pat on the head you will soon be joining God in paradise." "Oh! By the way you may be only six, so the all powerful beneficent God must be punishing you for something you did in another life. " ( Glenn the Messiah Hoddle. ) Stand still young teenage Moslem while we strap these explosives to you, so you can go and blow yourself and any unbelievers up! ( Or even believers, if they don't agree with us.) Yes of course you are going to paradise, but as an added bonus you get lots of young virgins all for you. The most violent hateful people on the planet, are, or have been believers in religion. They have caused 99% of all conflicts on this planet. (AND STILL ARE SADLY.) Religion is dying out in educated parts of the world. (Thankfully.) Science is destroying all the claptrap they still spout. Lets not forget The Bible was the word of the omnipotent all knowing almighty. So how come none of it stands up to scrutiny? The ones hanging onto religion do so because it brings them power or money. All religions should be self funding, no more state handouts or dispensations. See how long they last when the money has to come out of individuals of that religions pocket. Instead of ours. Yes people should be allowed their beliefs, they don't need organised religion to believe. Nor should feel the need to force those beliefs onto others. As an Atheist I have absolutely no fear of death. As I have no fear of Hell! Trust me if there was a Hell, I would be a prime candidate. You live you die. The end! It's what you do between the two points that counts.
Out standing work NMG, i forgot about this thread, a master piece and deserves to be kept near the top of the page... Caterpillars, and friggin talking one's at that... Nmg you are either seriously ****ed up, or a genius, for this thread.. Hats of to you.
Yes, this. Then I'd convince myself I was some kind of super-intelligent caterpillar and believe that I could be something more than just a moth or butterfly, head back to my little dirt tunnel (or wherever they reside at bed time) and draw up a blueprint for taking over the world.
Well I'm still not sure. However, things do seem to point to the 'fact' that there might be something more. EG A total atheist like Billy D stating that 'strange things have happened' since the sad death of Janie. Furthermore, when you think about: the tides, the moon, the stars, the forests, the seas, the planets et al, surely this is more complex than to have been started by a ****ing big bang. Both theories about how the world came about are equally ludicrous if you think about it. I don't know all I can think of is in conclusion instead of our old chant of 'Attack, attack, attack, attack'. How about paying due respect to O'Neill and the boys and starting up a chant of 'dfend, defend, defend, defend. defend'.
The '****ing big bang' is hardly a simple theory NMG. Regardless of whether you acknowledge the Eistein paradigm or the Freidman Lemaitre paradigm, both are fairly complex mate. They involve black holes, heat, hydrogen, helium, cooling (billions of years of cooling), the rate of speed at which galaxies travel away from ours. It's absolutely probable that if you understood how a black hole worked, how atomic particles worked and had a vast understanding of cosmogony that you'd be inclined to side with this theory. I don't have a broad knowledge on any of that stuff, but it still seems more plausible than the theory of creationism. Science doesn't set out with a pre-determined set of parameters and attempt to find evidence to support them, science attempts to establish fact by disproving theory and when it runs out of options, the theory becomes scientific fact. People can spend all day telling me their opinions on the supernatural and I'll listen, but I won't stand for them trying to disguise them as scientifically plausible, when there's not a scrap of evidence, and the onus is on them to prove as a believer if they make up such stories, it is not on atheists to disprove.
I know nowt for certain some ppl believe in the big bang and some believe in creation. however, I do believe that if you tell people the same thing over and over again they will end up believing it. EG 'adam Johnson is a good player'. Thousands of ****ing idiots now believe that despite after three months seeing not one shred of evidence to suggest that he is.
The Creationist proclaimers have the world aged only approximately 12,000 years old, which says it all really..
So the concept that some omnipotent being created everything is more believable? Gravity is a simple and neat, SCIENTIFIC explanation for the Moon and tides. And for how the Earth and other Planets were created. The Big Bang is only one of many theories, it's doubtful we will ever know the actual truth. It's a scientific fact the Universe is expanding though. Think about just our own Galaxy it has billions of stars in it. That's billions of Suns most with planets orbiting them. Now that seems like a great waste of time and effort to me, just so we can have nice sparkly lights to look at in the night sky. Now we know among those sparkly lights are billions upon billions of Galaxies, billions of them bigger than our insignificant little Galaxy. So that is an infinitesimal amount of Suns with an infinitesimal amount of planets, quite possibly with life on them. That seems to me an even bigger waste of time and energy. So God spent all his time making all that matter and energy, yet couldn't be arsed to actually talk to us, or make himself known to us? (Apart from to a few individual religious nutters, before we were intelligent enough to know how vast the Universe actually is!) Quite clearly we are an accident of a combination of accidents. Will we ever know the truth probably not, but I will take scientific reason over invented Deities any day of the week.
