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Time for a new manager

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Old Peacock, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    The point is, money isn't wasted if a player is required in a given position and nobody better is available for the same money. It's just a fact that if u expect a manager to build a squad from scratch and make him spread the budget so thinly, he's going to get some substandard players
     
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  2. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Another new manager wanted..<laugh> It does not matter who will be your manager you will still be in the lower leagues for years to come...<ok>
     
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  3. 666 & Elmo

    666 & Elmo New Member

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    Break the bank and get Martinez in on a long term contract. Then see Daiswan's face. Martinex would be much better than Adkins, but I'd take either
     
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  4. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Yea I agree with that but warnock got rid of players and replaced them with same quality players. Do we really need all of Brown, Austin, Green, Norris, Tonge? Pugh can play there as well as Thompson, we shoulda kept Clayton and not bought Norris and Green.

    Then we have the issue of Warnock buying players to play out of position. Tonge is not a LM imo, its clear to me that he is a CM playing RM which would be OK if he were just covering while someone was injured but he's not. He is our first choice LM, White looks as if he is our first choice RM and he is a LB. Peltier, who was probably our most expensive signing has only really played CB and LB which is completely out of position and it looks as if Colin is just trying to fit him in the team to justify signing him and then making him captain. I don't need to go through the countless amount of average signings we made either.

    So I get your point that the manager has a back to the walls job but from someone with his reputation, I expect far better. He just is not delivering at all
     
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  5. Millwallsteve

    Millwallsteve Waterloo's Finest
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    No keep him as he's doing a great job with Coco's financial backing <whistle>
     
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  6. Murdoc

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    <laugh>.
     
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  7. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    Probably because he could only afford players of the same standard as he already had. Thompson has proven to not be ready for first team action. Pugh is far beyond "not good enough" and of those other 5 central midfielders, we only started the season with 4 of them and were quickly reduced to two through injury, hence why Tonge is in.

    It's simple, we've made average signings because we have an average budget and he's not a miracle worker. In fact, our wage budget is average, our transfer fee budget is just beyond a joke. How much better off would we be if he didn't have to sell Snodgrass just to fund buying these players, as well as the money from Lonergan, Clayton, Howson and any other player we've sold and not replaced in the last **** knows how long?

    Grayson was clearly frustrated at not being able to get his first choice signings when he left. Why oh why would the situation have changed? What on earth makes you think that Warnock can magically make better signings with the same amount of money?

    Also, if we'd gone with your suggestions, our squad would be even smaller. Every single one of the players Warnock has brought in has played football so far this season. How many others do we have on the books who he's not been playing, presumably because he doesn't rate them, but we can't get rid of them? Or they are out with long term injuries? What does he do about those? Those are overheads that should be accounted for in the budget, but nope. In ken bates world, that's just "tough ****".

    Warnock's issues are entirely budgetary, just like Grayson before him.

    Name some players we could have gotten who are better than the ones we have, for the same amount of money. Consider that our squad is thin as ****, and that you'd have to bring in the same number of players. Better quality, same number.

    That is your challenge. Build a better squad for roughly the same amount of money.
     
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  8. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Well my point was that we would have had 4 players battling it out for 2 CM spots and 2 others that could play there if we had serious injuries by which we can look to the loan market or hold out until injured players are back. Its quite normal to have 4 players for 2 positions with others that can fill in. The way I said we would have Austin and Clayton in CM which is far greater than what we have now. And plus, we are looking to buy Tonge permanently in Jan

    At the moment anyway, I am comparing Warnock to Grayson (not that I thought grayson was doing particularly well either) and Warnock is doing terribly in that comparison in man-managing, tactics, signings and just about everything else involved in a manager's job
     
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  9. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    erm... he did EXACTLY THAT. He had 4 players battling for 2 CM spots and 2 others that could play there if we had serious injuries, or he could go in the loan market... which is exactly what he did.

    You didn't really think this through. And buying Tonge permanently in January is a good thing as I see it. He's a fantastic player, I just think he should be in the centre of the park more, difficult to do when you're being asked to play on the wing. He's playing on the wing because decent wingers cost money, by the way, if you hadn't worked that one out.
     
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