I would have preferred Grayson to remain in charge as he is a quality, young manager who did fantastic at Blackpool and then achieved a lot at Leeds. However Bates wanted to pretend promotion was feasible last season and put the blame on the manager that we were level with Reading after selling our best players, letting players leave due to contracts running out and spending virtually nothing. However, looking at the list of managers available, i feel Warnock was the best we could have appointed The likes of Lee Clark and Dave Jones were the favourites for the Leeds job at one point, so it could be far worse. In Warnock we have an experienced manager who has achieved promotion from the Championship. Before there was an opportunity for a section of fans to put the teams failings on Grayson rather than Bates, at least now with a manager in charge who won this division the last time he manager over a full season, Bates has no more excuses for why the team isn't progressing. Hopefully Bates has realised this and the takeover goes through.
There are so many things wrong with Leeds right now than can all be attributed to bates. We knew before the season started there'd be fixture pile up because of the late start to the season, yet he wanted to shrink the squad. Now our players are looking tired. The few players we've got are missing a cutting edge on the attacking side. All this and the players look distracted and unfocused. Not surprising when all the attention has been on ken sodding bates for the last 18 months. Building work, law suits, refusal to do what's necessary in the transfer market and now this takeover, all distractions from what is going on on the pitch for 90 minutes twice a week.
the problem is not just achieving promotion though, its also about having the right team when you get there, Warnock can build a team capable of getting promoted, but I don't think it will do well in the premier league
White Rose, this side is being put together with the aim of just getting us up. If/whe we make it, soe will survive & some will walk. We're only a few points off the play offs despite not playing particularly welll at the moment. We'll have Ross coming back soon, Poleon pushing for a place, & the T/O occurring before the T/W opens. If we're there or thereabouts by the end of December, expect us to push on & do what Reading managed last year.
OK big shots, so who exactly is the manager who's going to ride in on his white charger to get us promotion? Will this be the same guy that can change ten bob into ten million, or cheap journeymen into world beaters? If he is, get him to change water into wine & we'll have a big party!! Get real! Warnock is the best there is available at the moment. Get behind him & get behind the team. He's getting screwed over the same as we all are. Don't take it out on him. MOT (well at least we should be!).
Don't be an arrogant asshole who knows best all of the time, it doesn't fit you very well. Back to the question though. Both Holloway and Freedman just changed jobs, they would both be better than Warnock considerably. At the time of Warnock's arrival I said McCarthy, admittedly I do see the problems with him as manager but he has also been successful in this league and I think (while he plays poor football) he has a better style to Warnock. Others that wouldn't be bad choices would be Coyle, he would be better but wouldn't a top choice; I also said at the time we should have approached Birmingham for Hughton, that obviously won't happen now. Its not even my job to scout good managers but I have come up with 4 managers that were available a week a go and 2 at the time of his appointment. Hell keeping Grayson would have been better (and I didn't even want to keep Grayson). I do now accept the position we are in and its probably pointless to change managers until the end of the season unless we are in trouble
With the financial restrictions in place, no manager is any better than any other manager. You can't just build a team from scratch on a shoe-string budget, on demand. The very rare occasions when a team on a low budget has managed to get promoted, they've come in under the radar, they've done it through building a team over years, with a bit of luck and a strong team spirit. What bates wants a manager to do is to build a team like that in a single season because every season he plans on flogging all the best talent just to keep things ticking over. No point saying Warnock's doing a **** job, because just as Grayson before him, we don't know how good a manager he can be without giving him the funds to do his job properly.
Look through the team and look how much money and wages have been wasted. Peltier cost 750k and is more than likely on "captain" wages and in all honesty he's been pretty poor with an 18 year old holding his place at the moment. I'm also looking at the style of play we have, grayson's style was much nicer to watch and at the moment much more effective
YW, time you returned to the fold & the heart of the defence mate. Also time we got a new defensive coach. Something is fundamentally wrong with the way they are tackling/defending. This can't just be the players' fault. Someone is coaching them to wrap their arms round forwards or put in tackles when there's no need to.
Boggers I would rather play myself in defence than watch kissa giving 100% chasing a pass that his partner centre back has just passed to him! Kissa is past it Pearce and Lees have been solid its the swapping and changing the full backs thats ****ing things up
Agree, Pearce and Lees are fine with each other, it's just they have no ****ing idea who they're going to have on the other side.
They are getting beaten in the air around 7-8 yards out too often. Cannot blame anyone else for that.
You can blame coaches for tactical issues and to an extent positional sense but not tackling. Thats the players that are doing that I agree that Pearce and Lees have been solid, I actually think its more to do with poor hold-up play up front and midfield which is the problem. If defenders are defending for 90 mins regardless of how good they are, the attacking team are going to create chances. The full back situation would help as well if that was resolved
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you were the one saying Grayson "wasted" a lot of money on players that underperformed. The unfortunate reality is that it's impossible to not "waste" money on some players. Some players will come in with a certain set of credentials and they won't live up to those credentials at a given club for reasons unknown. It's impossible to guarantee any two players will play well together and sometimes it just happens. In fact, it's quite common for a player to just not do well at a club for no apparent reason, making it impossible to make 100% use of every last penny. In business it's called an overhead, and it's what happens. Having a go at the manager for not getting the most out of his limited budget won't get us anywhere. It's the same philosophy that has ken bates genuinely believing there exists a magician who can get us to the Premier League on a shoe-string budget in a single season. That man does not exist, to expect anything more than what we're getting on the budget we've got is just unrealistic. We have a mid table budget and are performing as such - mid table. We'll go nowhere else until the purse strings loosen.
Of course they are. But to criticise the manager and put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the manager like so many people do, even to the point of blaming the manager for not getting better players for the money they are given... it's ridiculous, and more to the point it irritates the hell out of me. I personally think our team is slightly better than it appears. They are underperforming because they are knackered and distracted. Knackered from having a thin squad expected to play twice a week, and distracted because the entire club is more focused on this stupid sodding takeover that should have gone through months ago
He did waste money but just because our last two managers wasted money doesn't mean every manager does and certainly not to the same extent as colin and grayson I'm not putting 100% blame on manager but then I think some blame should go on the manager rather than 100% blame on Bates. That irritates the hell out of me, the way I look at it is Warnock is underachieving, that could be helped by Bates but regardless he is unachieving
Ridiculous tread title at this point. Make no difference who is manager if there is no money. What would blue nose have won through the years without his cheque book? **** all. Give Warnock a summer with money to build. And hold on to whatever few quality players we have and you'll see what he's made of. We can't even keep Diouf at the moment for gods sake
