It's not that people don't embrace other sporting teams in the city, it's more to do with the people who are stuck in the past that never seem to acknowledge football in the city. I see in today's HDM the council have put forward another former rugby league player for 'Freedom of the City' http://www.thisishullandeastriding....eive-freedom/story-17236397-detail/story.html ...as someone has said in the comments on the article - Dean Windass scored the goal that meant millions of people around the world had heard of Hull City, and in turn, Hull as a city. But I doubt the council would even consider such a thing. Or for Ian Ashbee, who captained the team through all 4 divisions, becoming the first ever person to do so. I'm not belittling Colin Hutton's acheivements, I'm just saying football never seems to cross the minds of Hull City Councillors. I read the other day the council are planning on turning down the Allams plans to convert the Rosedowns factory into luxury apartments... it's almost as if they're trying to say "f**k off, we don't want you spending your money round here".
To be fair, I think they'd have rejected that application whoever made it, the site's completely surrounded by an industrial estate, it's a really odd place to try and build a residential development.
I know I thought the same, but I bet it's beyond the council's thoughts to accomodate Mr.Allam by suggesting alternative sites. Someone commented on the story on how the likes of Manchester, Liverpool, London and Leeds turned traditional industrial areas into residential ones too - it means someone having to take the first step to accomplish it and a council with some vision to go with it. Although it's industrial round there, there are also quite a few empty units nearby. It also goes to show that the council are looking to turn this down, but are actually considering allowing flats to be created next to Welly - how are the two situations different? If one is turned down due to current nearby occupants, surely the same applies to the other application?
Dazzer, as I read it, the issue is with the new builds, not with the conversion of the Rosedowns building?
The original objections were because the Allams wanted to demolish the mid-Victorian era part of the building known as 'the bottom shop', but keep and convert the listed part. The listed part is on the Listed Buildings at Risk Register, so you'd think the council would just take a chance and allow it to pass, rather than allowing it to fall to rubble (it has netting up around it now due to falling pieces). From what I can gather, the Allams submitted new plans which meant a more sympathetic design that keeps the 'bottom shop' in some form too, the objections are now from neighbouring businesses who are complaining that should it be allowed, residents will complain about the noise.
So is the bit that's listed not the nice Victorian bit, but the sort of ugly in a cool way late 60's/early 70's bit next door to it?
I'm all for any sort of regeneration in the city but Rosedowns down the bottom of Caroline Street surounded by a mixture of light industrial businesses, pre and postwar council property, come on.. the Allams get wackier by the day. Why not develop more in the city centre if they wantr to enter the property game - Ferensway (north) or Freetown Way for example for resi? The likes of Brady and that geriatric clown Geraghty are bad enough please lets not join them in some piss poor decision making..
Yes, but the 60's/70's bit was actual built around 1900. Using the patented French style of Hennebique - The one we're talking about it believed to be one of only 2 remaining of it's type left in the UK (the other being in Swansea). The Victorian-era bit to be demolished, I'm confused about, as there seems to be two 'three storey' parts either side of the Hennebique part - which ever part is known as 'the bottom shop' is the part the Allams wanted to demolish.
please log in to view this image Apparently the tall bit is the Ferro Concrete Hennebique bit, I assume the bit on the corner is probably the bottom shop and the bit that I mentioned as being 60's/70's is the bit as the far end that looks like white stripes on this image.
That's correct, I thought you'd mistaken the tall bit as 60s/70s, forgot about the actual 60s/70s bit at the far end. There is also a bit to the back of all this too, which you can see on Google Streetview here: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=can...N5QLqpPtYjwWhC6lrEb4w&cbp=12,307.18,,0,-12.19 which is why I'm confused which is the 'bottom shop' - it could be the bit I've put in Streetview as it is furthest south, but 'bottom shop' could also be a slang term for one of the parts of the building. All I know is the part that was mentioned about being demolished it 3 storeys in height, but there are quite a few bits to it that are three storeys. When you look on Streetview and see the back of the site, you realise just how big the area is. For all the industry in the area, there is also a college, a pub and the East Riding Hotel and houses boarder the Western edge of the site too, so not completely out on a limb.
The bottom shop wasn't actually a shop, as you suggested it was actually the nickname for the Light Machine Shop, but I can't find any reference to which building it was in.
