Hamilton? Lucked his way into a world title, if Massa's engine hadn't gone in Hungary, Hamilton wouldn't be champion. Maybe he's not the right choice to talk about lucky drivers considering he's the luckiest ****er out there.
Don't let your hatred of Hamilton cloud the facts pal - Vettel was given gift after gift today. Absolutely gutted for Lewis - robbed of a victory yet again.
You could put me in that Red Bull, give me the same "gifts" that vettel had, and i'd crash the car. You still need to take advantage of the surrounding incidents, and Vettel did that. Thats not just luck, it requires skill.
If we put you in that Red-Bull all those other drivers would still of crashed and we wouldn't have put them crashing down to your skill just as we aren't putting it down to Vettels skill.
So sick of the bologosphere saying "you make your own luck". Aside from "That's what I'm talking about" that happens to be my most hated phrase ever. The entire point of luck is that factors outside of your control benefit/destabilise the situation you are in. It's not Vettel's so-called divine brilliance that caused two safety cars at the perfect time for him, it's not Hamilton's so-called insane karmic retribution that he has so many mechanical problems.
No, you don't entirely make your own luck in F1 as you need so many things to go right over a race weekend. You need your team in form, all your components to last and then you have all the other drivers out there who can give you either good or bad luck. Calling Vettel lucky in this race is daft though... if he hadn't had the bad luck of being sent to the back he'd have likely won it.
I agree but can I add "Everything happens for a reason" to the list? Try going to Haïti and saying that!
Bang on, that "you make your own luck" is the worst phrase around. In that case I choose to put Hamiltons retirement down to Raikkonens skill rather than Vettels.
Must of been a thrilling GP kind of annoyed BBC have yet to put it up on Iplayer but so pleased for Kimi as he has deserved a win all season. Desperately disappointed for Lewis but unsurprisingly some on here would rather trash talk him then focus on what seemed to be an amazing GP
On the other hand what a fantastic way for Raikkonen and Lotus to end the year, Lotus must love Raikkonen. This guy is 100+ points ahead of his teammate. He is really showing himself to be one of the top 3 drivers on the grid this year.
This guy on Autosport says it all for me: It amazes me the bitterness directed towards Vettel today. People who should no better who are just factually plain wrong. It really does show up the different perspectives on things like a drive - not just from the back but from the pitlane - based on who did it. Error One: He was very lucky with the safety cars. No, he wasnt. He got no advantage from the first safety car. He was right behind riccardio anyway when it came out. Sure it brought the leaders closer to him, but that advantage was immediately wiped out when he had to go into the pits again. As to the second safety car - yes that got him behind button and he probably wouldnt have had a chance to attack him had it not come out, but it certainly wasnt a gime and took a great move. So he lost several places through the first safety car and gained the chane to fight for one extra place through the second. Error Two: All the cars just dropped out ahead of him. Again not true. The big crashes (rosberg, webber/perez/ect, massa*) all happened BEHIND HIM!. Only Hamilton dropped out ahead of him. Everyone else he passed on the track or through strategy and speed. So he "lucked" into one or at a stretch two places. Given where he started - in the pits with probably the worst pitlane of the year, his drive today was sensational. Just too many haters hate having to admit it or admit how wrong they were about how good a driver he is. *Massa was the only guy in front that gifted him a place when he spun.
Indeed, he was the class of the field today, the 1st SC was so lucky for him he had to do a late, slow pit-stop that put him at the very back again, not my definition of 'lucky'. Seems to me it doesn't matter what SV does people will always find a reason as to why it was something other than his talent.
He had a broken front wing (to an extent) which was costing him a second a lap according to Brundle. He probably wouldnt have pitted until around lap 35, that's about 22 seconds gained there, as the SC came out on 13 iirc. And he got to go to the soft tyres which are another 0.5 a lap. So he gained around 33 seconds by pitting 13 if you take away his scheduled stop, AND the pack squeezed up, so thats a net gain of nearly 20 seconds! How is that not gaining anything in the first SC?
