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Understood. No worries!

 

Senna for Bottas, I approve

 

well what has he really achieved, a few consistent points and a lucky fourth place where 4 people who should have been in front of him were taken out.
nothing special.

 

Horner defending Vettel (and Webber)

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/moto...ay-red-bull-20121102-28o5f.html#ixzz2B2a3Homy

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After four races in which Red Bull have obliterated the opposition - Sebastian Vettel has won all four of them, two from pole, to establish a 13-point lead over Ferrari's Fernando Alonso in the drivers' championship - the knives are starting to come out. Not only have fans begun to remember the suffocating supremacy of another German a decade ago, when Michael Schumacher rewrote the history books, they are now starting to dismiss Vettel's achievements.

Alonso's comment last week that he was fighting Red Bull's chief technical officer Adrian Newey, the genius behind the RB8, was taken to be backhanded criticism of the 25-year-old German, who has enjoyed the best car for most of the last three seasons and is a firm favourite to make it a hat-trick of championships in 2012.

Horner feels that is unfair - on Vettel and the rest of the team. "It is very simplistic to say it is all about Adrian," Horner said. "Yes, it is Adrian's technical team but you have to have all of the elements doing their bit. I liken it to a conductor - you can have the greatest conductor in the world but if you haven't got the right string instruments or wind instruments, the music will be rubbish.

"It is uncomfortable the success that Sebastian has had, and uncomfortable for some the success that Red Bull has had. That's not our fault. Sebastian has achieved some remarkable things in a short space of time. He has not completed 100 grands prix yet but he has won 26 per cent of them so far and not just in cars capable of winning from the front, he has done it in a Toro Rosso in the wet, he has done it in cars that, on the day, haven't been the best car.

"If you look beyond the last four races - to Melbourne where he qualified sixth and finished second; if you think of his drive in Spa, he qualified 11th and finished second. Anybody who thought he couldn't overtake, he proved them wrong that day. One of his most impressive drives was in Hungary where he was on the ragged edge from green light to chequered flag. Had it not been for an alternator problem this year he would be sitting on quite a few more points."

Three-time world champion Sir Jackie Stewart recently argued that Vettel could not yet be described as one of the "greats" because he has enjoyed a superior car. Horner dismissed that suggestion and added that to belittle Vettel's achievements was an insult to his team-mate Mark Webber.

"I think from memory Jackie won all his championships driving for Ken Tyrrell," Horner said. "Everyone says Sebastian is only winning because he is in the best car but he is up against a bloody tough team-mate in Mark. In their time together, Seb has won 25 races to Mark's nine in the same equipment. And it is absolutely 100 per cent the same equipment.

"Seb doesn't brag about it, he carries it modestly and it is remarkable what he has achieved in a short space of time. And he is getting better."

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Horner has been looking at my posts

What was that about Ken Tyrrell Jackie? Would love to hear the excuses why that isn't the same as having Newey on your team...

 

I don't recall anybody winning a title in a bad car so complaints of Vettel winning in the best car are redundant. The entire package has to work.

 

Apart from Driver A whose car was 10s a lap off the pace. Fortunately he brought 110 tenths to the car

 

Pathetic straw-clutching Driver A fanboys.

 

Pffft... Driver A won in an Austin Allegro.

 

Driver B won in a Morris Marina!

 

Did it have the Red interior though?

 

I won by running the track naked and drunk. Beat that!

 

Mostly, yes. Hakkinen and Kimi are 2 of my favourite drivers of all time. I guess it's to do with the way they drive, always competitive and (relatively) fairly. I have high hopes for Bottas so I am looking forward to when he gets on the grid, hopefully next season.

 

No, but it did have a piano mysteriously dropped onto it.

 

They are pure racers. Quiet but deadly.

 

Emerson fittipaldi, he won in 1972 while his team-mate (Dave Walker) scored a grand total of 0 points, with 9th being his best finish

 

Really hope Glock and Kovy don't go. They are both very good, maybe the latter slightly more.

 

so senna in an orange helmet? whats that about? looking for a FI seat?

 

yeah, the Lotus 72 was acknowledged as being ****e...................

Now we're going to get the Senna fanbois telling us how well he did in 86 & 87 to nearly win the WDC's with a car his teammates could barely score in.

Thanks Miggins!

 

Just watched Lee McKenzie's Inside F1 and this exchange really made me laugh:

McKenzie: "So, Max Chilton, he's an impressive young boy."

EJ: "Absolutely, I thought he interviewed brilliantly well for you, Lee."