Who knows, not me Roo But if you remember when I originally posted about his injury, I mentioned he'd had a similar one at Fulham and missed a couple of weeks, IIRC, because of it. Some people took that as a good sign, I was never quite as upbeat about that assessment. We don't know as usual the medical details, but recurring injuries are often a problem, see Bale, King, any amount of players really.
yeah I remember you saying about the injury at fulham, recently. it's just been a strange injury this one. reports said that he'd miss a game, but it's been a couple of weeks now and no one seems to know anything about the extent of the injury or how long he's out for.
HI Roo, 'Reports' indeed Chances are those 'reports' were/are no more authoritative than me or you taking a punt at how long he would be out. The latest official news we have is that he's having another scan, and that will give us a clue as to how things are going. You must be used to it by now, remember Parker was due back by Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec now he may be back a little earlier, so that might be Nov/Dec or it might be Jan if he has another set back... AFAIK, Abebayor has played TWO FULL games for Togo, while he's been injured for Spurs, or not fit enough to start. Work that one out
when i said reports though, i meant reports that were based on an interview with AVB. i'm sure i read it in a link on here, that AVB thought he'd be back very soon after the injury. maybe not... one could suggest that you're doing some **** stirring with Ade, GH10! hahaha
HI Roo, you'd have to find the actual reports and the actual words that AVB said. Journos, which you don't need me to tell you, often put ridiculous spin on a comment by a manager. I'll give you an example from today, AVB talked of Parker being back in a few weeks, now that might mean he starts a game in three weeks, or four weeks time, or that he's on the bench in four weeks time, etc. Talk Sport immediately ran with a story, IIRC, 'Parker back in a fortnight', which some people might think Parker will start against Arsenal possibly ahead of a jet lagged Sandro. But AVB's words don't necessarily lead to Parker starting against Arsenal at all. Re Ade, as if I would **** stir, moi But honestly I'm not in this case, I'm giving the facts as I understand them. If those facts are correct, which I believe they are, it's a little bit odd, maybe? As you probably know I wanted to see Ade start against Chelsea instead of Dempsey, unless there were good medical, not tactical reasons, not to. I say not tactical, because I think a way could be found to make ADE & Defoe successful in the same team. I don't know the state of the respective players' health that day, but I'd be amazed if Ade couldn't have done at least as well as Dempsey that fateful saturday.
yeah I saw your points on Ade + Defoe in another thread and totally agree. Ade needs to come in and have 1 good game. that should be enough to get him a starting place and provide something new, as well as shake things up bit. we already look stale and the form of Dempsey and Sig is mediocre at the moment, to say the least.
Cheers Roo However, it looks like YV's caution re Ade playing is in line with the manager's thinking Some direct quotes from AVB today "Ade has returned to training and he will be available for the Wigan game," Villas-Boas confirmed. "The trouble has been that he has not played so much this season, mainly because of injury. He missed six games for a period and then two more recently. "Whenever he came on he did well and he wants to be part of the team, but Jermain Defoe is doing well. In nine Premier League games, he has five goals. This is the kind of goalscoring ability that you want for your team. That sounds pretty much that AVB is still sticking to the JD OR Ade, not both, line. To me it's just being stubborn and unhelpful to the team, but as always the manager will be judged by results. I think we know 5 of the front 6, but if Falque/Siggy/Clint is preferred to Ade, good luck to them, because they hve big boots to fill, and I don't think any of them are currently up to the task. We should beat Wigan even without Ade, but if we don't, oh deary, deary, prepare for meltdown in Spursdom.
More updates on the Dembele situation from AVB http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/breaking-news/sport/spurs-upbeat-over-dembele-injury-3280279.html? The 25-year-old struggled with the problem while at Fulham, and initial scans on the area failed to detect whether he had seriously aggravated the injury while playing against Scotland. "We want to avoid surgery if we can," Villas-Boas said. "If there happens to be surgery I think we are looking for one month, one month and a half." He added: "Hopefully that will not happen because we have some good indications the player will be back in one week or two weeks. "It's a pain that goes away or happened to go away when he was at Fulham for two or three days and the pain went away but it is still there. He can't move himself properly so he will have a deeper scan on the injury so we can assess it properly."
Cheers GH10. On my iPhone so can't write any epic speeches, which I'm sure is a good thing!! If this is the case, Falque has done enough to deserve a start IMO. Especially against "weaker" prem opposition. No offence intended to Wigan there. We could try Falque on the left, bale middle and Lennon right. Bale is a machine that doesn't stop running, perhaps he could work centrally to not only support the striker, but to aid the "defensive 2" in turning defence into attack?
it's not being stubborn and unhelpful,it's being the tactic's he likes is team to play which at the moment is a lone striker,he is getting result's playing that system so,if it's not broken,don't fix it.and AVB know's more about the team than you imo,no offence meant.
this will not be good!!! http://www1.skysports.com/football/...enham-midfielder-Mousa-Dembele-avoids-surgery
I think its more like Ade and VdV worked well with the rest of the team, I think JD will always be too selfish to work well with anyone, he also has to be onside!! unless Ade is happy to be his knockdown man as Crouch was. Can't disagree with the Pool game, but I think its fair to say every player was at the top of their game that night. Other times Ade gets frustrated at being in better positions and ignored, (as has Clint) if you try and work a one-two with JD around the D, its 99% certain you won't get it back, he'll try and work a shot or snapshot for himself. I often see people using shot stats to suggest we've had the better of a game, as I see it any team with JD in it will have a high shot count, but half of them were never on in the first place, so its an artificially high stat in a lot of instances imo.
Dembele is clearly struggling, which is why there's now word of him potentially having to have surgery. not good news. even if he doesn't need to go under the knife(fingers crossed), it seems like we could be without him for at least another couple of games. As Sig and Dempsey's form is so poor, as well as Livermore and Sandro looking woeful together, I don't see how the front 3 can be anything other than Falque, Bale and Lennon at the moment. AVB needs to reward Falque now and give him a prem game, to show that he's willing to give opportunities to those who put the effort in. besides, the midfield is looking lost without Dembele. I think Bale could do a good job in the centre of the front 3. I also think he'd help to support huddlestone, if the latter partners sandro. Hudd needs time on the ball to showcase his best quality - his passing. If bale can play just in front of him, the opposition will be wary of closing hudd down too fast when we gain possession in the centre of the park, as they could leave bale exposed in acres of space to run at them. i'd be tempted to suggest something like this: ----------GK---------- ------CB------CB RB-----------------LB -----------Sandro ----- -----Hudd-------------- ------------Bale-------- lennon-----------Falque -----------Ade--------- (honestly couldn't give a **** about the GK and defensive situation at the moment.) Our creative play turning defensive into attack and punishing teams is our biggest concern at the moment. if we did it well enough, we wouldn't have to worry about hanging on to 1 goal advantages. Many of you may disagree with this completely, but we need to try something new.
Just joined in. What's up with Walker? Also AVB has stated that he won't start with Ade so why are some of the posters suggesting he will?
Do we? We're 4th in the league and whilst we're not looking totally convincing without Dembele we can still get results. If I was going to change anything it wouldn't be to put Bale in midfield. I wouldn't mind seeing Falque start but realistically I think Dempsey's still the best attacking option in the middle and I'd like to see him play closer to Defoe.
I disagree YV. we've won 1, drawn 1 and lost 2 in all competitions. yes, that's 4 points we've picked up, but they were 2 games where we should really have got 6 from anyway. - and in the Southampton game that we won, we were pretty terrible. We're looking good with our 4th place league position because others around us haven't got the points they should have, such as Everton and Arsenal for example. I think it was spurcat who said that our 4th place isn't a true reflection of our performances over the last 7 or so games. i think the last 7 might be a little excessive, but certainly over the last 4. The reason i've suggested changing things up, is because someone is going to find us out soon. they say the best form of defence is attack, but we seem to be inviting pressure onto us at the moment, because we're playing the same players in the same system and the football is very mediocre. some players are out of form, some need a rest, some haven't impressed at all. for me, Falque should start over Dempsey at the moment. he deserves it and he appears to be in form, Dempsey is far from it.
no ones suggesting he will perryman. a few of us just think that ade deserves a chance, even if that's partnering Defoe and us trying something slightly different, in light of the injuries we have. others think walker needs to be dropped due to form.
