Isnt it always someones fault for a goal? And most often someone in defense? Personally I think all our defenders are doing pretty good. If Chester played average I would be pissed because he is quality. McShane, Faye, and Bruce have been immense as far as I am concerned because I thought they were all going to play like ****. If we had a decent shot to goal ratio we would be tearing this league apart. I say this without researching the actually ratio.
Do you mean goals to shots? I agree with you if thats what you meant. But for an own goal, we would have drawn a game that we should have won far more comfortably than we did
Because when one centre back is defending in the position he was the keeper has to come near post as he did. The other centre backs' positions are then covering the 6 yard box to minimise the open goal potential for a ball being pulled across beyond the keeper (see the number 2 running into the box). Davies (left of the picture was 18 yards out, almost directly behind the player in possession, and had Elmo right with him (you can just see his arm sticking into shot). There's no way McShane should have been the one picking up Davies in that position, and once the ball was played to him McShane had no chance of getting to it. please log in to view this image
Look where our centre backs are positioned, they are almost in a line down the centre of the pitch when they should be in a line across the pitch
I completely agree. It's really something when we've got 20 goals from 13 league games and are still tearing our hair out about our goalscoring ability. I often browse away fan forums to read their opinions on our team and our performance, and a chap on a Bristol City forum said he counted 7 clear chances where we should have scored, and that they were lucky that our forwards "couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo". At least it's more enjoyable than it ever was under Pearson or Barmby!
Thanks Andy Gray. But in all seriousness, can this be a lesson to our fans to check who's to blame before sticking the knife into the same people. In this case, Elmo is the one who must be tighter and closer to the man who eventually scores the goal, because otherwise that defensive set up is spot on.
I don't need Andy Gray to tell me what I watched, thanks, I'm quite capable of making up my own mind.
I thought it was a brilliantly worked goal, simple as that. I posted at the time the first through ball may have been cut out by CM who really knows how to snuff out danger, but didnt blame Evans for it. But it certainly wasnt Elmo's man who scored. He ran inbetween Koren and Evans as he ran from the centre of midfield, if Elmo got across a bit well done to him. Mcshane blameless on this one.
That still shows the exact reason we let that goal in so easy, every single player in the pic keeper included is stood ball watching, no one keeping an eye on inevitable late runners into the box. Piss poor.
All you ****s arguing and this sordid little ****er gets it in one. If he didn't have an ugly, ginger bird I'd like him
Without over analysing one conceded goal I thought it was plain to see that McShane was terrible throughout most of that game. He always is as well. You look for consistency in a defender but time after time he ends up in situations where other players have to help try and bail him out and it just leaves the whole back line and keeper rattled. He lets the ball bounce when a simple header would solve the problem, he's slow, he gets turned constantly and did against Bristol too, awful turning circle, all of his passes bobble up and down making it harder for receivers, obviously lacks confidence and ability, always ends up yards behind opponent runners, he's always all over his man and pushing them inside the box. It's a miracle he doesn't give away more penalties and he's blatantly the weak link in the team. I've never seen a defender invite so much pressure onto himself. Although he's a headless chicken he's not been a complete disaster so far this season to be fair to him, but he's in a good team so his shortcomings aren't as obvious. He's a poor man's Jonny Evans (Sorry Corry). The sooner we get rid the better.
It's way simpler than you're making it, he's unmarked in the middle of our area, McShane is the nearest player and he's marking no one. Of course he was supposed to mark him. That's the most annoying thing for me, he turns the most safe situation on the halfway line on the right side of his man facing away from goal into a position where he's having to chase his man towards his own goal and usually foul him all in about 2 seconds.
No he's not. Mcshane is right were he should be on Ric's pic. I'm seriously doubting you know anything about football the way your carrying on with your petty vendettas.
Balls. Real football isn't like Football Manager where you line everyone up in pretty patterns. There isn't just a 'right' position for a defender to suit every scenario. If there's a man in the middle of the box you mark him, course you bloody mark him. Chester is closing the man down, Bruce is marking the other man arriving late (albeit not very close) and McShane is stood doing **** all. I don't give a **** if it looks like a nice line with him stood there he's doing **** all. I don't care how cool it is to like McShane now, he's **** and when he's marking like that I'll point it out. That isn't a petty vendetta it's a fact. Just like if the Allams raise a certain price or whatever I'll say that like it is too. You just have random seasonal favourites that no one can criticise regardless of how obvious it is, particularly if it's me. Generally people who talk about 'knowing about football' are the ones who don't understand the game.
I'm not for a second saying I like McShane all of a sudden, but I will say his position on this goal is correct. He is playing in a back three, he is staying in line with his back three (Eventhough Rosie and Bruce have seemingly swapped). What do you any him to do? Go and mark somebody outside the box just for the sake of not "doing **** all", thus leaving a huge area of space in our box to be attacked. It is a well worked goal as others have said, but if somebody on their team is going to run in our box late, then somebody on our team needs to run in with them. Elmo was coming back in with their goal scorer but not tight or quick enough. We can sit and over analyse everything but the fact is, conceding goals is a part of this game, whoever we want to blame.
Feel free to carry on, but you make yourself look more of an idiot every time you post **** like this. No one thinks Mcshane is brilliant, he's doing a job at the moment is all. Same as AB. Not the best but Steve Bruce has utilised him as he has others and got them playing a lot better than Pearson or Barmby could.
To be fair, the style of McShane's football always has and always will polarise views; thankfully decent managers and coaches can see when it comes together for a player, and for Mcshane, he is, by his standards, in the process of a purple patch that enhances team performance. To criticise him for that goal, even when you have seen the replays, simply demonstrates your lack of football nous. Sometimes the easier option in football is to move to the ball (or man) when the right thing to do is to stand your ground; McShane did the right thing - pull him apart by all means, but do it for something he deserves.
It wouldn't be McShane that is in the wrong place. Couldn't tell for sure (as you can see only the player's arm is in that shot) but it looked like Elmo ran into the box behind Davies later in the video. He's on the edge of our area with one of our players a yard away from him (you can see their arm sticking into shot). You've got Davies in a completely different situation to the one he's shown in. If he was stood in the middle of the box unmarked I'd be agreeing with you about McShane's job being to close him down as he would be the biggest threat to goal at the time the decision was taken. As it is all opposition players have a City player in close proximity so McShane's job is to be in the best position to allow him to assist any one of those City markers. Being in the centre of the 6 yard box puts him goal side of all the attackers preventing an open goal and gives the smallest variation in distance to be covered when the man in possession decides where to play the ball.
